andrewcriddle wrote:
I agree it is not a conclusive argument, but it may be strong enough to put the burden of proof on anyone proposing a date before 100 CE for the Odes.
Andrew Criddle
Rylands mentions this particular Ode:
Ode 6
As the wind glides through the harp and the strings speak,
So the Spirit of the Lord speaks through my members, and I speak through His love.
For He destroys whatever is alien, and everything is of the Lord.
For thus it was from the beginning, and will be until the end.
So that nothing shall be contrary, and nothing shall rise up against Him.
The Lord has multiplied his knowledge, and He was zealous that those things should be known which through His grace have been given to us.
And His praise He gave us on account of His name, our spirits praise His Holy Spirit.
For there went forth a stream, and it became a river great and broad; indeed it carried away everything, and it shattered and brought it to the Temple.
And the barriers which were built by men were not able to restrain it, nor even the arts of them who habitually restrain water.
For it spread over the surface of all the earth, and it filled everything.
Then all the thirsty upon the earth drank, and thirst was relieved and quenched;
For from the Most High the drink was given.
Blessed, therefore, are the ministers of that drink, who have been entrusted with His water.
They have refreshed the parched lips, and have aroused the paralyzed will.
Even living persons who were about to expire, they have held back from death.
And limbs which have collapsed, they have restored and set up.
They gave strength for their coming, and light for their eyes.
Because everyone recognized them as the Lord's, and lived by the living water of eternity.
Hallelujah.
The reference to Temple is a clear evidence that the Odes were written
when the Temple was still existing in Jerusalem.
The Odist was hoping that the people of all the earth will go to the phisical Temple of Jerusalem as place of worship.
To think otherwise would mean to assume (rather
ad hoc) that :
1) the interpolator inserted the reference to Temple when the Temple is already destroyed
2) ...well knowing in advance that the reader would search for possible reference to Temple!
Note that also the same Andrew used the reference to Temple as evidence of pauline authenticity in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3052#p68095
therefore raising a problem of
par condicio.