About the when/where of the crucifixion: a survey

[Giuseppe]

I see the following facts:

1) the idea of a celestial crucifixion was held first by William Benjamin Smith, followed by Gordon Rylands, Paul-Louis Couchoud (and Georges Ory) and Earl Doherty.

2) the first Mythicist to promote the idea of an earthly crucifixion in a remote past was G.A. Wells.

About all the other Mythicists and removing from them any astrotheologist, IF they considered an earthly crucifixion (until now, I know only Dujardin as old proponent of this view), then they put it in a recent time.

Therefore it is more old and common the idea of a celestial crucifixion, among the Mythicists of the past.

The idea of an earthly crucifixion of the indefinite past is relatively recent. Before Wells, it was proposed only by who identified clearly the HJ with the Teacher of Righteousness.

[MrMacSon]

What do you mean by

1. "an earthly crucifixion in a remote past"?

2. "an earthly crucifixion...in a recent time"?

3. "an earthly crucifixion of the indefinite past"?

[Giuseppe]

1 is equivalent to 3: Jesus was crucified on the earth in a remote past.

For 2 I mean a crucifixion happened more or less in 30 CE.

[MrMacSon]

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Cheers Giuseppe.

1 is equivalent to 3: Jesus was crucified on the earth in a remote past.

• Could that include the date or period of the death of Alexander Jannaeus -ie. ~76 bc/bce ??
  
  (or were you thinking about something more remote: as outlined in the Jewish scriptures? or LXX? or both?)

[Giuseppe]

I was thinking generally only of an 'indefinite past'.