The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

[outhouse]

By the way, you claimed "manuscripts" not fragments.

Honesty is required here.

[hakeem]

Non sequitur as Mark came before these surviving text. The fragments do not dictate the Christology we know exist.

What about the fact the koran just copied biblical traditions??

You know nothing of gMark except for what is found in existing texts. Non-existing texts of gMark do not tell us anything.

The stories of Jesus in all existing manuscripts and Codices of gMark are non-historical or implausible regardless of when they are dated.

There is no corroborative historical evidence for any event about Jesus in all existing versions of gMark.

[hakeem]

"Don't take the Bible literally' says scholar who brought to light earliest Latin analysis of the Gospels
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08 ... -earliest/
They are not setting out to be literal accounts but they are set out to be symbolic
Dr Hugh Houghton"

The NT is a religious text with ' miracles 'like any other religious text.

If the Bible is not to be taken literally then why are Scholars using it as an historical source for Jesus of Nazareth?
Jesus was a symbolic figure of belief--never literal--never historical.

[iskander]

"Don't take the Bible literally' says scholar who brought to light earliest Latin analysis of the Gospels
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08 ... -earliest/
They are not setting out to be literal accounts but they are set out to be symbolic
Dr Hugh Houghton"

The NT is a religious text with ' miracles 'like any other religious text.

If the Bible is not to be taken literally then why are Scholars using it as an historical source for Jesus of Nazareth?
Jesus was a symbolic figure of belief--never literal--never historical.

Jesus is taken as the source of a particular interpretation of a religious system. The people who wrote about what God revealed to them are real and the laws derived from their conversations with God are also real and usually these laws are very precisely formulated and interpreted in a literal way.

Jesus is the man who invented a particular god and his disciples developed his invention into a more complex system , which includes symbolism as a literary form.

[hakeem]

Jesus is taken as the source of a particular interpretation of a religious system. The people who wrote about what God revealed to them are real and the laws derived from their conversations with God are also real and usually these laws are very precisely formulated and interpreted in a literal way.

Jesus is the man who invented a particular god and his disciples developed his invention into a more complex system , which includes symbolism as a literary form.

The Bible is not to be taken literally. Jesus was invented--a non-historical creature of belief.

See the Creed of the Church--Jesus is believed to be God of God-the Creator.

[iskander]

Jesus is taken as the source of a particular interpretation of a religious system. The people who wrote about what God revealed to them are real and the laws derived from their conversations with God are also real and usually these laws are very precisely formulated and interpreted in a literal way.

Jesus is the man who invented a particular god and his disciples developed his invention into a more complex system , which includes symbolism as a literary form.

The Bible is not to be taken literally. Jesus was invented--a non-historical creature of belief.

See the Creed of the Church--Jesus is believed to be God of God-the Creator.

Men invent god and attribute to him whatever it is in their mind.

It is god the one who is invented -- --a non-historical creature of belief. The inventor is real, historical and his laws are imposed on people in a literal and often cruel manner.

The stories about god is the symbolic part of the revealed sacred texts .

[hakeem]

Men invent god and attribute to him whatever it is in their mind.

It is god the one who is invented -- --a non-historical creature of belief. The inventor is real, historical and his laws are imposed on people in a literal and often cruel manner.

The stories about god is the symbolic part of the revealed sacred texts .

It is not known who invented or made up the Jesus stories. All we know is that the stories in existing manuscripts and Codices are all non-historical and no historical evidence of any person called Jesus of Nazareth, his disciples and Paul of Tarsus have ever been found. In addition, the authorship of the Jesus stories are forgeries or falsely attributed.

Incredibly, no-one have identified the authors called Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, James, Jude and Peter in any accepted historical source.

There is simply no evidence to show the Jesus stories were ever historical accounts.

[neilgodfrey]

Paul, if you are sure you grasp what I have attempted to argue sufficiently to offer your advice then I want you to sum up my view in your own words to demonstrate that you have, because everything you say in response to it otherwise indicates to me that we are talking past each other.

[iskander]

Men invent god and attribute to him whatever it is in their mind.

It is god the one who is invented -- --a non-historical creature of belief. The inventor is real, historical and his laws are imposed on people in a literal and often cruel manner.

The stories about god is the symbolic part of the revealed sacred texts .

It is not known who invented or made up the Jesus stories. All we know is that the stories in existing manuscripts and Codices are all non-historical and no historical evidence of any person called Jesus of Nazareth, his disciples and Paul of Tarsus have ever been found. In addition, the authorship of the Jesus stories are forgeries or falsely attributed.

Incredibly, no-one have identified the authors called Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, James, Jude and Peter in any accepted historical source.

There is simply no evidence to show the Jesus stories were ever historical accounts.

The identity of insignificant religious characters who lived in ancient times is one problem of impossible solution. The existence of humans for the explanation of human activity, such as the formation of history , is the inescapable solution for the unbeliever in god.

The Hebrew bible is a unique document of antiquity explaining in some detail the creation of a nation- state from the void; it explains the formation of the Kingdom of Israel and its laws from year zero when the Israelites wandered as nomads in the desert . This new kingdom was based on a particular understanding of something named god, who was acting as the constitution and legislative assembly of those peoples .

The NT is a modification of the same thought found in the Hebrew Bible and it also became the foundation history of a new commonwealth . The originators of the new thinking about god were insignificant men and women when alive.

[toejam]

I'll check this out simply because he's a fellow Brisbanite I might track him down...