Oh my bloody gods, Bernard, for the fifty-millionth-zillionth time, will you pleeeeeeease get over your obsession with mythicism and discuss method free from all of that mythicism versus historicism shit.Bernard Muller wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:28 amYes, I already told you there are enough evidence showing Jesus existed on earth. What are you implying? a giant conspiracy in order to retrofit a historical Jesus into a religion which started with only a mythical Jesus? If you have a different theory for this alleged retrofitting, please let me know.I don't think you recognize your Freudian slip by dropping this line in there, Bernard. Anyone would suspect that you have made up your mind before the research begins that you must have a central role for the historical Jesus in any reconstruction. That's not kosher. That's not how historical inquiry that is genuinely scholarly is supposed to work.
What I said was no different from what you find mainstream biblical scholars have published about early christian history -- and the very one I though you yourself were arguing; that Jesus was a virtual "nobody" in his own day and did not himself "found" Christianity.
When I repeat your words back to you are you so hyped up over mythicism that you jump on that gun even when it hasn't fired?
And your hyper-sensitivity to mythicism as you express it here demonstrates you seem to have been incapable of reading and understanding the arguments in that direction with any semblance of reality anyway. No mythicist I know posits a conspiracy of the kind you have suggested -- so the fact that you bring up your theory out of the blue, with no provocation or reason, demonstrates to me that you are very hyper-up-tight and on a paranoid guard against an idea you have built up to be an unreal monster in your mind.
Am I justified in interpreting everything you write about Christian origins to be written with one fearful eye on the lookout for the mythicism monster that you have to build bulwarks against at every opportunity? Is that your agenda?
I don't give a stuff about mythicism or historicism. What's wrong with simply working with the historical data and ignoring the question entirely? That's not going to upset anyone's beliefs, is it?