outhouse wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:44 amIf a Galilean was crucified at Passover and people martyred his perceived sacrifice and made him a god, as Hellenist divorced cultural Judaism, what religious evidence would they leave?
Exactly what we possess is the exact progression we see it in. 100% exact fit like a glove.
Outhouse --
Ya' noe Ah lue'ya bebbe-
But the entire question is wrapped up in the word "who". First person singular or...?
John 11: 49 - 53 (RSV):
[49] But one of them, Ca'iaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, "You know nothing at all;
[50] you do not understand that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation should not perish."
[51] He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus should die for the nation,
[52] and not for the nation only, but to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.
[53] So from that day on they took counsel how to put him to death.
The entire Program is here - RIGHT HERE!
It is Political and Historical.
Luke 16: 16 (RSV):
[16] "The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently."
What does this mean? That Jesus has "Done Away" with the Law?
NO! Has the Kingdom of God been breached and to this day people are entering the Kingdom of God
VIOLENTLY? That would only be true if the Kingdom of God had been a real, physical Place! You are being told what is to happen - The (Hasmonean) Ordering of the Temple Service will be eliminated, as will the Settlements in Galilee reserved for the Priests. They will be replaced as will the Religion it represented.
'N that changes the Story entirely. In fact, it did, from the Story of a GROUP of Galileans (Priests of the Mishmarot Group Immer) to a created character who had the Powers to teach in the Temple unmolested daily and wander the countryside spounting aphorisms.
Revelation 5: 6 (RSV, in part):
[6] And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain...
How do you stand as though you had been slain? If you are a member of a Group which survives being Slaughtered. Your Group name survives as a Word-Play: The 15th Service Group (Immer) is the identical word to the "Lamb" that is Sacrificed on Passover ("Immar"). The Objectified Group becomes a name of a savior/god and that name is then given in Greek where the pun is lost.
Outhouse, as usual you are so correct. Remember only that Existence is not a Predicate! I may speak of spaceships and unicorns but that does not mean that they exist. There WAS a person who fits all of the criteria for the NT and that person was Peter. He, however could not have been a savior/god.
"...you do not understand that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation should not perish."
Numbers 19: 11 - 20 (RSV):
[11] "He who touches the dead body of any person shall be unclean seven days;
[12] he shall cleanse himself with the water on the third day and on the seventh day, and so be clean; but if he does not cleanse himself on the third day and on the seventh day, he will not become clean.
[13] Whoever touches a dead person, the body of any man who has died, and does not cleanse himself, defiles the tabernacle of the LORD, and that person shall be cut off from Israel; because the water for impurity was not thrown upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is still on him.
[14] "This is the law when a man dies in a tent: every one who comes into the tent, and every one who is in the tent, shall be unclean seven days.
[15] And every open vessel, which has no cover fastened upon it, is unclean.
[16] Whoever in the open field touches one who is slain with a sword, or a dead body, or a bone of a man, or a grave, shall be unclean seven days.
[17] For the unclean they shall take some ashes of the burnt sin offering, and running water shall be added in a vessel;
[18] then a clean person shall take hyssop, and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it upon the tent, and upon all the furnishings, and upon the persons who were there, and upon him who touched the bone, or the slain, or the dead, or the grave;
[19] and the clean person shall sprinkle upon the unclean on the third day and on the seventh day; thus on the seventh day he shall cleanse him, and he shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water, and at evening he shall be clean.
[20] "But the man who is unclean and does not cleanse himself, that person shall be cut off from the midst of the assembly, since he has defiled the sanctuary of the LORD; because the water for impurity has not been thrown upon him, he is unclean.
John 12: 1 - 2 (RSV):
[1] Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Laz'arus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.
[2] There they made him a supper; Martha served, and Laz'arus was one of those at table with him.
It ain't Peter. It ain't this guy either. There may have been someone who lived in Galilee and the rest of the Story fits 100% as you say. It just wasn't anyone that we are looking at today.
All the best to you my friend,
CW
