I Think Clement's Argument in QDS is Starting to Make Sense to Me

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Re: I Think Clement's Argument in QDS is Starting to Make Sense to Me

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Genesis 1, 26 QDS 36 § 2 (p.183, l.24) BP1
Genesis 3, 19 QDS 17 § 1 (p.170, l.17) BP1
Genesis 4, 9 QDS 42 § 10 (p.189, l.20) BP1

Isaiah 1, 18 QDS 39 § 4 (p.185, l.22) BP1

Ezekiel 18, 21 - 22 QDS 40 § 3 (p.186, l.16) BP1

Daniel 3, 50 QDS 41 § 7 (p.187, l.24 - V) BP1

Matthew 5, 3 QDS 16 § 3 (p.170, l.12) BP1, 17 § 5 (p.170, l.33) BP1, 19 § 2 (p.172, l.2) BP1
Matthew 5, 6 QDS 17 § 5 (p.170, l.34) BP1
Matthew 5, 8 QDS 19 § 3 (p.172, l.5) BP1
Matthew 5, 13, 14 QDS 36 § 1 (p.183, l.23) BP1
Matthew 5, 16 QDS 1 § 4 (p.160, l.12) BP1
Matthew 6, 20 QDS 13 § 3 (p.168, l.6) BP1, 13 § 7 (p.168, l.18) BP1
Matthew 7, 14 QDS 26 § 8 (p.177, l.24) BP1
Matthew 7, 21 QDS 29 § 6 (p.179, l.19) BP1
Matthew 10, 41, 42 QDS 31 § 4 (p.180, l.16) BP1
Matthew 11, 12 QDS 21 § 3 (p.173, l.22) BP1
Matthew 13, 38 QDS 5 § 4 (p.163, l.25) BP1, 36 § 2 (p.183, l.24) BP1
Matthew 13, 44 QDS 17 § 3 (p.170, l.27) BP1
Matthew 16, 18 QDS 21 § 4 (p.173, l.27) BP1
Matthew 16, 25 QDS 24 § 2 (p.175, l.27) BP1
Matthew 18, 10 QDS 31 § 1 (p.180, l.9) BP1
Matthew 19, 17 QDS 3 § 1 (p.161, l.15) BP1
Matthew 19, 21 QDS 19 § 4 (p.172, l.7) BP1, 19 § 6 (p.172, l.17) BP1
Matthew 22, 37 QDS 27 § 3 (p.178, l.6) BP1, 27 § 5 (p.178, l.15) BP1, 29 § 1 (p.179, l.1) BP1
Matthew 22, 38 QDS 27 § 4 (p.178, l.8) BP1
Matthew 22, 39 QDS 28 § 1 (p.178, l.18) BP1, 29 § 1 (p.179, l.1) BP1
Matthew 25, 34 QDS 30 § 2 (p.179, l.27) BP1
Matthew 25, 35 QDS 13 § 4 (p.168, l.8) BP1, 13 § 6 (p.168, l.16) BP1
Matthew 25, 40 QDS 30 § 2 (p.179, l.27) BP1
Matthew 25, 41 QDS 30 § 5 (p.180, l.4) BP1
Matthew 25, 43 QDS 13 § 4 (p.168, l.8) BP1, 13 § 6 (p.168, l.16) BP1
Matthew 25, 45 QDS 30 § 5 (p.180, l.4) BP1
Matthew 25, 46 QDS 33 § 3 (p.182, l.4) BP1

Mark 2, 7 QDS 39 § 5 (p.185, l.25) BP1
Mark 2, 14, 17 QDS 13 § 5 (p.168, l.11) BP1
Mark 2, 17 QDS 24 § 2 (p.175, l.24) BP1
Mark 9, 47 QDS 24 § 2 (p.175, l.24) BP1
Mark 10, 17 QDS 4 § 4 (p.162, l.19) BP1, 6 § 4 (p.164, l.9) BP1, 8 § 2 (p.165, l.2) BP1, 10 § 4 (p.166, l.9) BP1, 20 § 1 (p.172, l.23) BP1, 23 § 4 (p.175, l.13) BP1, 27 § 1 (p.177, l.27) BP1
Mark 10, 18 QDS 1 § 2 (p.159, l.8) BP1, 6 § 4 (p.164, l.11) BP1, 7 § 1 (p.164, l.17) BP1, 23 § 2 (p.175, l.5) BP1
Mark 10, 19 QDS 26 § 2 (p.177, l.5) BP1
Mark 10, 20 QDS 8 § 2 (p.165, l.1) BP1, 10 § 4 (p.166, l.7) BP1
Mark 10, 21 QDS 9 § 1 (p.165, l.16) BP1, 10 § 1 (p.165, l.25) BP1, 10 § 3 (p.166, l.3) BP1, 10 § 3 (p.166, l.4) BP1, 11 § 1 (p.166, l.24) BP1, 14 § 6 (p.169, l.9) BP1, 15 § 1 (p.169, l.14) BP1, 16 § 1 (p.169, l.33) BP1, 19 § 6 (p.172, l.14) BP1, 26 § 2 (p.177, l.5) BP1
Mark 10, 22 QDS 11 § 1 (p.166, l.22) BP1, 20 § 1 (p.172, l.22) BP1, 20 § 5 (p.173, l.8) BP1
Mark 10, 23 QDS 18 § 1 (p.171, l.4) BP1
Mark 10, 25 QDS 2 § 2 (p.160, l.21) BP1, 2 § 2 (p.161, l.2) BP1, 3 § 1 (p.161, l.14) BP1, 26 § 7 (p.177, l.22) BP1
Mark 10, 26 QDS 20 § 3 (p.172, l.30) BP1, 20 § 4 (p.173, l.2) BP1
Mark 10, 27 QDS 2 § 2 (p.161, l.3) BP1, 20 § 1 (p.172, l.24) BP1, 21 § 1 (p.173, l.14) BP1
Mark 10, 28 QDS 21 § 5 (p.174, l.1) BP1
Mark 10, 29 QDS 22 § 1 (p.174, l.11) BP1
Mark 10, 30 QDS 22 § 1 (p.174, l.11) BP1, 25 § 1 (p.175, l.28) BP1, 25 § 3 (p.176, l.3) BP1, 25 § 8 (p.176, l.26) BP1
Mark 10, 31 QDS 4 § 4 (p.162, l.19) BP1, 26 § 1 (p.176, l.27) BP1, 27 § 1 (p.177, l.27) BP1
Mark 10, 45 QDS 37 § 4 (p.184, l.8) BP1
Mark 12, 27 QDS 42 § 20 (p.191, l.10) BP1
Mark 12, 28 QDS 27 § 3 (p.178, l.5) BP1
Mark 13, 13 QDS 32 § 6 (p.181, l.21) BP1
Mark 13, 33 QDS 21 § 2 (p.173, l.21) BP1
Mark 13, 37 QDS 21 § 2 (p.173, l.21) BP1
Mark 14, 23, 25 QDS 29 § 4 (p.179, l.10) BP1

Luke 1, 78 QDS 29 § 4 (p.179, l.12) BP1
Luke 3, 9 QDS 29 § 3 (p.179, l.9) BP1
Luke 5, 1 QDS 20 § 3 (p.172, l.32) BP1, 25 § 2 (p.176, l.1) BP1
Luke 5, 11 QDS 20 § 3 (p.172, l.32) BP1, 25 § 2 (p.176, l.1) BP1
Luke 6, 27 QDS 22 § 4 (p.174, l.18) BP1
Luke 6, 29 QDS 18 § 4 (p.171, l.16) BP1
Luke 6, 30 QDS 31 § 9 (p.181, l.2) BP1
Luke 6, 35 QDS 22 § 4 (p.174, l.18) BP1
Luke 6, 37, 38 QDS 33 § 4 (p.182, l.6) BP1
Luke 6, 45 QDS 14 § 5 (p.169, l.8) BP1, 15 § 1 (p.169, l.13) BP1, 17 § 2 (p.170, l.23) BP1
Luke 6, 46 QDS 29 § 6 (p.179, l.21) BP1
Luke 7, 28 QDS 31 § 3 (p.180, l.14) BP1
Luke 8, 14 QDS 11 § 2 (p.166, l.29) BP1
Luke 9, 60 QDS 23 § 2 (p.175, l.6) BP1
Luke 9, 62 QDS 39 § 6 (p.186, l.5) BP1
Luke 10, 16 QDS 30 § 6 (p.180, l.6) BP1
Luke 10, 20 QDS 21 § 6 (p.174, l.7) BP1
Luke 10, 21 QDS 31 § 1 (p.180, l.8) BP1
Luke 10, 22 QDS 8 § 1 (p.164, l.25) BP1
Luke 10, 23, 24 QDS 29 § 6 (p.179, l.22) BP1
Luke 10, 27 QDS 30 § 1 (p.179, l.24) BP1
Luke 10, 29, 30 QDS 28 § 2 (p.178, l.20) BP1
Luke 10, 30 QDS 28 § 4 (p.178, l.31) BP1
Luke 10, 33, 35 QDS 29 § 1 (p.179, l.3) BP1, 29 § 4 (p.179, l.10) BP1
Luke 10, 37 QDS 28 § 2 (p.178, l.21) BP1, 28 § 4 (p.178, l.31) BP1
Luke 10, 38, 42 QDS 10 § 6 (p.166, l.14) BP1
Luke 11, 8 QDS 42 § 19 (p.191, l.8) BP1
Luke 11, 9 QDS 4 § 2 (p.162, l.13) BP1, 10 § 2 (p.166, l.2) BP1
Luke 11, 13 QDS 39 § 6 (p.186, l.1) BP1
Luke 12, 32 QDS 31 § 2 (p.180, l.12) BP1
Luke 12, 34 QDS 17 § 1 (p.170, l.20) BP1
Luke 12, 58 QDS 40 § 5 (p.187, l.4) BP1
Luke 14, 26 QDS 22 § 2 (p.174, l.15) BP1, 22 § 5 (p.174, l.23) BP1, 22 § 7 (p.174, l.27) BP1, 23 § 5 (p.175, l.18) BP1, 25 § 7 (p.176, l.19) BP1
Luke 15, 7 QDS 39 § 2 (p.185, l.16) BP1
Luke 15, 24 QDS 39 § 2 (p.185, l.16) BP1
Luke 16, 9 QDS 13 § 3 (p.168, l.5) BP1, 31 § 5 (p.180, l.20) BP1, 31 § 9 (p.181, l.5) BP1, 32 § 1 (p.181, l.7) BP1, 32 § 4 (p.181, l.13) BP1, 32 § 6 (p.181, l.18) BP1
Luke 17, 3, 4 QDS 39 § 5 (p.185, l.27) BP1
Luke 18, 14 QDS 1 § 4 (p.160, l.3) BP1
Luke 18, 18 QDS 5 § 1 (p.163, l.14) BP1
Luke 18, 30 QDS 5 § 1 (p.163, l.14) BP1
Luke 19, 8, 9 QDS 13 § 5 (p.168, l.11) BP1

John 1, 17 QDS 8 § 1 (p.164, l.27) BP1
John 1, 18 QDS 37 § 1 (p.183, l.32) BP1
John 6, 50 QDS 23 § 4 (p.175, l.11) BP1
John 6, 55 QDS 23 § 4 (p.175, l.11) BP1
John 14, 6 QDS 16 § 1 (p.169, l.34) BP1
John 14, 15 QDS 29 § 5 (p.179, l.18) BP1
John 14, 23 QDS 33 § 6 (p.182, l.15) BP1
John 14, 27 QDS 37 § 4 (p.184, l.9) BP1
John 15, 5, 6 QDS 37 § 6 (p.184, l.18) BP1
John 15, 13 QDS 37 § 5 (p.184, l.11) BP1
John 17, 2 QDS 6 § 4 (p.164, l.12) BP1
John 17, 3 QDS 7 § 1 (p.164, l.14) BP1, 7 § 3 (p.164, l.22) BP1
Romans 1, 17

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
8 § 5 (p.165, l.12) BP1
Romans 5, 3

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
25 § 6 (p.176, l.15) BP1
Romans 7, 12

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
9 § 2 (p.165, l.19) BP1
Romans 8, 14

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
9 § 2 (p.165, l.23) BP1
Romans 8, 17

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (2)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
9 § 2 (p.165, l.23) BP1
36 § 2 (p.183, l.25) BP1
Romans 8, 19

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
29 § 4 (p.179, l.16) BP1
Romans 8, 21

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
29 § 4 (p.179, l.16) BP1
Romans 10, 3

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
11 § 3 (p.167, l.3) BP1
Romans 10, 4

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
9 § 2 (p.165, l.21) BP1
Romans 11, 36

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Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
27 § 4 (p.178, l.9) BP1
1 Corinthians 2, 9

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
23 § 3 (p.175, l.8) BP1
1 Corinthians 3, 17

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
18 § 2 (p.171, l.13) BP1
1 Corinthians 9, 25

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
3 § 5 (p.161, l.31) BP1
1 Corinthians 12, 31

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
38 § 1 (p.184, l.21) BP1
1 Corinthians 13, 4

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
38 § 2 (p.184, l.25) BP1
1 Corinthians 13, 5

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
38 § 1 (p.184, l.22) BP1
1 Corinthians 13, 13

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (4)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
3 § 6 (p.162, l.3) BP1
18 § 1 (p.171, l.8) BP1
29 § 4 (p.179, l.14) BP1
38 § 2 (p.184, l.28) BP1
1 Corinthians 15, 52

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
3 § 6 (p.162, l.5) BP1
2 Corinthians 1, 3

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
39 § 6 (p.186, l.2) BP1
2 Corinthians 4, 7

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
34 § 1 (p.182, l.20) BP1
2 Corinthians 4, 18

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
25 § 8 (p.176, l.24) BP1
2 Corinthians 5, 19

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

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Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
39 § 5 (p.185, l.26) BP1
2 Corinthians 9, 7

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

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Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
31 § 8 (p.180, l.30) BP1
Galatians 2, 21

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
8 § 2 (p.164, l.30) BP1
Galatians 3, 21

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
12 § 1 (p.167, l.10) BP1
Galatians 3, 24

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
9 § 2 (p.165, l.20) BP1
Galatians 6, 7

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

Alexandria (1 ancient author(s))

Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
41 § 7 (p.187, l.23) BP1
Ephesians 6, 12

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190 - 215 (1 pole(s))

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Clemens Alexandrinus (1 work(s))
Clemens
Alexandrinus
Quis dives salvetur (1)
Date: ca.190 - ca.215
Genre: -
Theme: Christian life
Clavis: 1379
Biblio:
STAEHLIN O., FRUECHTEL L., TREU U., 2e éd., GCS 17 (1970), 159-191.
29 § 2 (p.179, l.5) BP1
Philippians 3, 13

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Re: I Think Clement's Argument in QDS is Starting to Make Sense to Me

Post by DCHindley » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:16 pm

DCHindley wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:26 pm
Secret Alias wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:28 am
Except that it was in Clement's text and Mark was supposedly connected with Alexandria.
I was not in a position to look up what Clement's original Greek was. Still am not.

Your explanation did not seem especially clear to me, Stephan.

Who, exactly, says what?
Well, since SA did not respond to my objection that I, as I think is the case with most folks, just don't have these texts available for ready analysis. What I needed was comparative texts.

Believe it or not, a unicode Greek text of Clement's Quis dives salvetur is available at the Ruslan Khazarzar website,
http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/pgm/PG_Migne/

The backstory, as I understand it, was that the owner of the files had created a load of Unicode Greek transcriptions, ostensibly from Migne's editions with some editorial corrections, which were available online, hosted by his academic institution. His institution, in cash-strapped Greece, was sued by TLG because they said some of those corrections to Migne's text were derived from their TLG database without attribution. Apparently the Greek academic institution to which owner of the files was affiliated could not afford to fight the TLG lawsuit, and in consequence removed the files from their website. No longer able to use the institutions' webhost, he accepted an offer from Ruslan Khazarzar to host them. Interesting.

CF-G CRM 4 Greek
BGT Mk 10 Greek
BGT Mt 19 Greek
BGT Lk 18 Greek
CRM 4.7 ... ὃ δὲ στυγνάσας ἐπὶ τῷ λόγῳ Mk 10:22a ὁ δὲ στυγνάσας ἐπὶ τῷ λόγῳ Mat 19:22a ἀκούσας δὲ ὁ νεανίσκος τὸν λόγον Luk 18:23a ὁ δὲ ἀκούσας ταῦτα
8a ἀπῆλθε λυπούμενος· 22b ἀπῆλθεν λυπούμενος· 22b ἀπῆλθεν λυπούμενος· 23b περίλυπος ἐγενήθη·
8b ἦν γὰρ ἔχων χρήματα πολλὰ καὶ ἀγρούς. 22c ἦν γὰρ ἔχων κτήματα πολλά. 22c ἦν γὰρ ἔχων κτήματα πολλά. 23c ἦν γὰρ πλούσιος σφόδρα.
8c περι βλεψάμενος δὲ ὁ Ἰησοῦς λέγει τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ· 23a Καὶ περιβλεψάμενος ὁ Ἰησοῦς λέγει τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ· 23a Ὁ δὲ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ· 24a ἰδὼν δὲ αὐτὸν ὁ Ἰησοῦς [περίλυπον γενόμενον] εἶπεν·
8d "πῶς δυσκόλως οἱ τὰ χρήματα ἔχοντες 23b πῶς δυσκόλως οἱ τὰ χρήματα ἔχοντες 23b ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι πλούσιος δυσκόλως εἰσελεύσεται 24b πῶς δυσκόλως οἱ τὰ χρήματα ἔχοντες
8e εἰσελεύσονται εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ." 23c εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ εἰσελεύσονται. 23c εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τῶν οὐρανῶν. 24c εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ εἰσπορεύονται·
9a οἱ δὲ μαθηταὶ ἐθαμβοῦντο ἐπὶ τοῖς λόγοις αὐτοῦ. 24a οἱ δὲ μαθηταὶ ἐθαμβοῦντο ἐπὶ τοῖς λόγοις αὐτοῦ.
9b πάλιν δὲ ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἀποκριθεὶς λέγει αὐτοῖς· 24b ὁ δὲ Ἰησοῦς πάλιν ἀποκριθεὶς λέγει αὐτοῖς· 24a πάλιν δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν,
9c "τέκνα, πῶς δύσκολόν ἐστι 24c τέκνα, πῶς δύσκολόν ἐστιν
9d τοὺς πεποιθότας ἐπὶ χρήμασιν
9e εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ εἰσελθεῖν· 24d εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ εἰσελθεῖν·
9f εὐκόλως διὰ τῆς τρυμαλιᾶς τῆς βελόνης κάμηλος εἰσελεύσεται 25a εὐκοπώτερόν ἐστιν κάμηλον διὰ [τῆς] τρυμαλιᾶς [τῆς] ῥαφίδος διελθεῖν 24b εὐκοπώτερόν ἐστιν κάμηλον διὰ τρυπήματος ῥαφίδος διελθεῖν 25a εὐκοπώτερον γάρ ἐστιν κάμηλον διὰ τρήματος βελόνης εἰσελθεῖν
9g ἢ πλούσιος εἰς τὴν βασι λείαν τοῦ θεοῦ." 25b ἢ πλούσιον εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ εἰσελθεῖν. 24c ἢ πλούσιον εἰσελθεῖν εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ. 25b ἢ πλούσιον εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ εἰσελθεῖν.

For those, like me, who need an English translation to put things in perspective, here it is:

CF-E Clement's Rich Man Ch 4
RSV Mark 10
RSV Matthew 19
RSV Luke 18
CRM 4:7 ... And he was sad at that saying, Mk 10:22a At that saying Mat 19:22a When the young man heard this Luk 18:23a But when he heard this
8a and went away grieved: 22b his countenance fell, and he went away sorrowful; 22b he went away sorrowful; 23b he became sad,
8b for he was rich, having great possessions [he had riches many and lands]. 22c for he had great possessions. 22c for he had great possessions. 23c for he was very rich.
8c And Jesus looked round about, and saith to His disciples, 23a And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, 23a And Jesus said to his disciples, 24a Jesus looking at him [became very sad and] said,
8d How hardly shall they that have riches 23b "How hard it will be for those who have riches 23b "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man 24b "How hard it is for those who have riches
8e enter into the kingdom of God! 23c to enter the kingdom of God!" 23c to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24c to enter the kingdom of God!
9a And the disciples were astonished at His words. 24a And the disciples were amazed at his words.
9b But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, 24b But Jesus said to them again, 24a Again I tell you,
9c Children, how hard is it 24c "Children, how hard it is
9d for them that trust in riches
9e to enter into the kingdom of God! 24d to enter the kingdom of God!
9f More easily shall a camel enter through the eye of a needle 25a It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle 24b it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle 25a For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle
9g than a rich man into the kingdom of God. 25b than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 24c than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 25b than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

To sum it up, Clement's What Rich Man is saved?
* 4.8b uses χρήματα (riches) where Mark 10:22c/Matthew 19:22c use κτήματα (possessions) and Luke 18:23 uses πλούσιος (wealthy/rich)
* 4.8d uses χρήματα (riches) along with Mark 10:23b & Luke 18:24b, while Matthew 19:23b uses πλούσιος (wealthy/rich).
* 4.9d uses χρήμασιν (riches) which is in a section of text taken, it seems, from Mark 10:24. No parallel to this section is in Matthew or Luke.
* 4.9g uses πλούσιος (a rich man) which in the form πλούσιον is found in Mark 10: 25b; Matthew 19:24b; and Luke 18:25b.

Make of this what you will ...

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Re: I Think Clement's Argument in QDS is Starting to Make Sense to Me

Post by Secret Alias » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:59 pm

Well because my argument made sense to Andrew I thought because one person got it everyone was on board. All the terms connected with χράομαι throughout the section should be render as 'thing' or 'things' which allows the juxtaposition (which Andrew notes Clement already draws our attention to in Luke 10:41, 42 as part of his argument). Jesus says:

1. there is one God the Father who is the 'good God' Chrestos (unsaid but clearly lurking behind every corner)
2. and that we must give up 'many things' for the one Good Thing (= Chrestos).

I thought you understood that.
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Re: I Think Clement's Argument in QDS is Starting to Make Sense to Me

Post by DCHindley » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:45 am

Secret Alias wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:59 pm
Well because my argument made sense to Andrew I thought because one person got it everyone was on board. All the terms connected with χράομαι throughout the section should be render as 'thing' or 'things' which allows the juxtaposition (which Andrew notes Clement already draws our attention to in Luke 10:41, 42 as part of his argument). Jesus says:

1. there is one God the Father who is the 'good God' Chrestos (unsaid but clearly lurking behind every corner)
2. and that we must give up 'many things' for the one Good Thing (= Chrestos).

I thought you understood that.
I have problems enough reading my wife's mind, much less yours, Stephan. My reading is that Clement drew from something like Mark, but harmonized some differences so it all revolved around χρήματα/χρήμασιν. He *could* have gone the πλούσιος/πλούσιον route like Matthew and Luke did at different places, or κτήματα as Mark and Matthew did, but he did retain πλούσιος/πλούσιον in the final sentence, as all the synoptic gospels do.

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Re: I Think Clement's Argument in QDS is Starting to Make Sense to Me

Post by Secret Alias » Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:24 pm

His text of Mark was a 'harmonized' text (or conversely our canonical text was stripped of various readings 'ghettoized' in the Four).
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