A possible reason why a hater of YHWH should adopt a god-man named 'YHWH-saves''

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A possible reason why a hater of YHWH should adopt a god-man named 'YHWH-saves''

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Why did the Christian Gnostics adopt with so extreme easiness the name 'Jesus' (''YHWH-saves'') for their god-man, if they hated so strongly the Creator, the god of the Jews, YHWH ???

A god-man named Joshua is too much ''diemurgical'', too much a concrete actor in the real Human History, to be a coincidence.

How a YHWH should ''save'', for a Gnostic? The only way the Creator can save a Gnostic -- in a gnostic sense -- is to destroy himself. There is no compromise, never, between the Creator and a Gnostic. The Creator is evil just as his creation. Period.

But if Jesus was the name of the man - a mere creature of the Demiurge - who was possessed by the spiritual Christos/Chrestos (that yes a name loved by the Gnostics!!!) -- and to that extent he served to the secret goal of the Alien God: to destroy the power of the demiurge himself --, then it may be clear the reason why even the gnostic Marcion adopted with easiness a god-man named Jesus Christ.

So, insofar a man created by the Demiurge, being possessed by the spirit of Christ the Son of the Alien God, can serve to the latter to reveal the Gnosis to the men created by the Demiurge, that man is worth of being called ''Salvation of YHWH'', i.e. the only way by which the bad Creator can be useful to the plans of the Alien God: for the creation of the particular man by which the Christ could talk with the men on this Earth.

The only way a bad Creator can save.

It is the same reason why in the Lord of Rings the hobbits have to love the Ring (product of the evil) to destroy the dark power of Sauron: only by desiring strongly the Ring, Gollum can fall with it in the fire.

But then this means only two possibilities, mutually exclusive:

1) if the Gnostics created Christianity, then the god ''Christos'' was named ''Jesus'' only later, precisely when he was euhemerized on the Earth, complete with Pilate, the 12 apostles, a trial in Jerusalem, ''Son of Man'', etc. Christos was named ''Jesus'' the same moment when ''Mark'' sat at the his table.

2) if some worshipers of YHWH created Christianity, then the god Jesus Christ could be adopted later by the Gnostics only under the condition of the reductio ad hominem applied to that god: Jesus had to be the man, and only Christ the god.


Tertium non datur.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Re: A possible reason why a hater of YHWH should adopt a god-man named 'YHWH-saves''

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Note that if the hypothesis 1 is true, then prof Robert Price would have any reason to say that:
Eventually Jesus was added to the mix, but the inner Son of Man (not a historical being) had already been dubbed the Christ.
(The Amazing Colossal Apostle, p. 82, my bold)


And still:
...the myth of the slaying of the Man of Light by the archons before the foundation of the world was rewritten as the historical crucifixion of a human being, Jesus Christ, at the hands of the Sanhedrin and the Roman procurator. As the extraction and seeding of the spiritual photons of the Son of Man had enlivened the new-made earth, so the blood of Jesus was now said to redeem the souls of humanity.
(ibid., p. 82. my colors)

Note the fact that for Price the name 'Jesus' is part of the carnalized figure of the spiritual Christ. Therefore, according to Price's model of the Christian Origins, there was never a Jesus Christ adored as a mythical figure: ''Jesus'' could refer only to the (invented) ''historical'' man by which the earlier god (not named ''Jesus'') was euhemerized.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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