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Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I [Moses] am teaching you to perform, so that you may live and go in and take possession of the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, is giving you. You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

See that you do all I [Moses] command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

John2 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:01 pm iskander,

Thanks, and not to be nitpicky, but that particular verse appears to refer only to the Ten Commandments, "but I appreciate that you mean it in the sense of Dt. 4:1-2 and 12:32:

Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I [Moses] am teaching you to perform, so that you may live and go in and take possession of the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, is giving you. You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

See that you do all I [Moses] command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Compare Dt. 5:22:

These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

Jesus accepts the ten words as the only commandments given by God.

See that you don't tell this to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing, as a testimony to them."

John2 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:34 pm iskander wrote:

Jesus accepts the ten words as the only commandments given by God.

That doesn't seem in keeping with Mk. 1:44:

See that you don't tell this to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing, as a testimony to them."

Jesus was a man and his religious thinking changes with time. In Mark 1 :44 he probably wanted the 'keepers of the law' to reflect on the simple and beneficial change in front of their eyes.

Jesus was hoping then; show your happy face to them and perhaps we can hear the -- feeble voice of men, once again-- but more a pleasant one than before.

John2 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:16 pm iskander wrote:

Jesus was a man and his religious thinking changes with time. In Mark 1 :44 he probably wanted the 'keepers of the law' to reflect on the simple and beneficial change in front of their eyes.

Jesus was hoping then; show your happy face to them and perhaps we can hear the -- feeble voice of men, once again-- but more a pleasant one than before.

Alright, I guess that's one way to look at it then.

moses wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:04 am

It's the "in saying this Jesus declared" (and similar iterations like "thus he declared," or "By saying this" and so forth) that's not in the Greek..
The Greek says, most literally, "Because it does not go into his heart, but into his belly, and goes out into crapper [aphedron, "privy," "toilet"] purifying all meats."
The meaning in the Greek (and in the KJV too, though it's easy to overlook), is that Jesus is saying the digestive process spiritually purifies food, not that the food is clean before you eat it. The parentheticals in some translations are choices by the translators to convey an interpretation that Jesus was de facto declaring all food clean (because what's the difference when it technically becomes clean, Jesus still, in their minds saying it's ok to eat bacon). "Thus Jesus said" type parentheticals are editorial insertions. Pedantically speaking, though, the Greek doesn't say Jesus said all foods were clean, he said food won't make you unclean and that digestion will purify unclean meats, which is subtly different.

moses wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:04 am

It's the "in saying this Jesus declared" (and similar iterations like "thus he declared," or "By saying this" and so forth) that's not in the Greek..
The Greek says, most literally, "Because it does not go into his heart, but into his belly, and goes out into crapper [aphedron, "privy," "toilet"] purifying all meats."
The meaning in the Greek (and in the KJV too, though it's easy to overlook), is that Jesus is saying the digestive process spiritually purifies food, not that the food is clean before you eat it. The parentheticals in some translations are choices by the translators to convey an interpretation that Jesus was de facto declaring all food clean (because what's the difference when it technically becomes clean, Jesus still, in their minds saying it's ok to eat bacon). "Thus Jesus said" type parentheticals are editorial insertions. Pedantically speaking, though, the Greek doesn't say Jesus said all foods were clean, he said food won't make you unclean and that digestion will purify unclean meats, which is subtly different.

moses wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:04 am

It's the "in saying this Jesus declared" (and similar iterations like "thus he declared," or "By saying this" and so forth) that's not in the Greek..
The Greek says, most literally, "Because it does not go into his heart, but into his belly, and goes out into crapper [aphedron, "privy," "toilet"] purifying all meats."
The meaning in the Greek (and in the KJV too, though it's easy to overlook), is that Jesus is saying the digestive process spiritually purifies food, not that the food is clean before you eat it. The parentheticals in some translations are choices by the translators to convey an interpretation that Jesus was de facto declaring all food clean (because what's the difference when it technically becomes clean, Jesus still, in their minds saying it's ok to eat bacon). "Thus Jesus said" type parentheticals are editorial insertions. Pedantically speaking, though, the Greek doesn't say Jesus said all foods were clean, he said food won't make you unclean and that digestion will purify unclean meats, which is subtly different.