A difference between Christ and other dying-and-rising gods

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Giuseppe
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A difference between Christ and other dying-and-rising gods

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Is their death considered a defeat? Nowhere among the stories of these pagan savior-gods do we see a message of triumph come from their death. Followers of these pagan gods wept and mourned the death of their deity. They were distraught. Compare this with the picture we have of Christ. Not only was the message of Jesus’ death a message of victory, even as he was being brutalized and humiliated, he was the true victor. This stands in the starkest of contrasts to the likes of Horus, Attis or Osiris
http://www.ambassadors520.org/blog/2016 ... rising-god

How do we explain this difference, if we exclude the too much easy appeal to the hypothesis "Historical Jesus" ?

It seems that the apocalypticism of the early Christians did the difference: the dying Jesus was already a military Messiah during his same death. And as such, a victorious Messiah.

From a Gnostic point of view, why didn't the Gnostic Christians mourn the death of Jesus by the Demiurge's servants? Really, they did mourn the death of Jesus, given that some of them did reject the same idea of a Christ really suffering on the cross.

And if the Gnostic Christians didn't mourn the death of Jesus (coopted by them in their myth in the role of the Gnostic revealer) then they didn't mourn also the death of Attis (coopted by them in their myth in the same role of Jesus).

The point is that only from the first Gospel we have a tradition of Christian disciples who mourn the death of Jesus. See the women in Mark 16, for example. They are real mourners. But Paul didn't mourn the death of Jesus. And so the Pillars before him.

Therefore this confirms that the Gospel tradition (who mourns the death of Jesus) is not rooted on Paul or on the Pillars (who don't mourn the death of Jesus) but it is rooted on the Gnostic tradition (who mourns the death of Jesus to the point of rejecting it entirely, or to the point of divide a suffering human Jesus from the victorious impassible Christ).

The point of the gnostics, by introducing in their first gospel (after the 70) the theme of mourners of the death of Jesus, is to proclaim their superiority on the Judaizers: their Gnostic Christ was so powerful in comparison to the Jewish Jesus that the first didn't even suffer and wasn't mourned, differently from the second, who suffered and was mourned.
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Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
Giuseppe
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Re: A difference between Christ and other dying-and-rising gods

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Moral of the first gospel:

1) Who mourns the death of the god is a loser as the Pagans.
2) the Judaizers mourned the death of Jesus.
3) therefore the Judaizers are losers.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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