Getting definitions right while doing ancient history

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Getting definitions right while doing ancient history

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In dealing with the material in front of us I'm sure you find at times that people are saying things that do not seem to quite make sense. They seem to be using words in ways that don't quite gel to your way of thinking. In fact, I have frequently complained about some of the key terms we use, terms such as "historical" (as in "historical Jesus"), myth and fiction, and their applicability in situations people find to place them. The inability to have clear terms can lead to lack of clarity of thought and the inability to understand necessary distinctions.

Just to illustrate the basic principle, I'd like to cite from a work I found myself reading recently:

A Companion to Ancient History
ed. Andrew Erskine
Blackwell, 2009

In a chapter called "Historiography" John Marincola writes, p.15:

That ancient historiography was a rhetorical genre cannot be denied, although the consequences of this have been evaluated in very different ways. Some scholars believe that one can discount much of the rhetorical adornment found in ancient histories and recover a core of solid fact, while others counter that rhetoric is not like the icing one can slice off a cake (to use the image of Moles 1993: 114), but rather part of the very fabric of the work, and thus form and content cannot easily be separated.

The former view often requires the modern historian to engage in a process of rationalization not entirely different from that practiced by the ancients. It presupposes, to put it crudely, that there is no smoke without fire, and that traditions, however modified or adorned, are usually based on some factual content. That is a view with a respectable ancient pedigree (see e.g. Isoc. Panath. 149–50), but it presumes that traditions are reliable and nothing is ever invented out of whole cloth – possibly, very dangerous presumptions.

On the other hand, those who deny to the ancient historians a concern with fact argue that the “truth” they pursued was a rhetorical truth based on probability rather than actuality. Yet such a viewpoint must overlook both the distinction often made by the ancients between oratory and history (D. Potter 1999a: 137–38) and the great number of remarks made by historians and other ancient writers in which they seem quite concerned with finding out what really happened, rather than simply settling for a story that satisfied the demands of probability (Avenarius 1956: 76–79).


Part of the problem lies in the ambiguity of the Greek term heuresis and its Latin equivalent inventio, words that mean both “discovery” and “invention.” It has been argued that the rhetorical education of the ancients meant that they did not consciously see themselves as inventing material when they did not know it so much as discovering it, i.e. using the techniques that their rhetorical training had given them. It is not difficult to see that this must have been the case very often when historians inserted speeches into their histories, simply because exact recollection was impossible (Walbank 1965); but was it also operative in the realm of deeds and of characters’ motivations and goals? If so, the concept of “what they must have said” could easily bleed into “what they must have done.” Modern scholars who propose such a model thus rescue ancient historians from the charge of lying, but at the cost of calling all or much of the content of their work into question.

Lacking the clear linguistic distinction between "discovery" and "invention" causes what might seem to us the fatal flawing of an attempt to write history. The very language one uses can cause one to fail in their chosen endeavor.

While I'm here with Marincola, he continues his discussion on ancient historiography, first citing T.P. Wiseman:


The historians of Greece and Rome did not “put their authorities to the question.” They did not have the questions to put, because they were incapable of the “historical imagination” needed for the historian to relive for himself, as Collingwood put it, the states of mind into which he inquires. (Wiseman 1979a: 42)

Wiseman points out that Livy or Dionysius of Halicarnassus tell of a regal and early republican Rome scarcely different from the city of their own day. One could add many other examples, including even Thucydides’ portrait of early Greece in his “Archaeology” (1.2–19), where the historian delineates a Greece concerned with all the same matters – power, compulsion, naval strength, material surplus – as in Thucydides’ own day: Agamemnon is simply Athens writ small.

We need to be critical readers of ancient historians. We cannot take anything at face value. Chopping out the bits that you find unacceptable is not a serious critical approach. We must approach these writers with care and consideration, not giving them the benefit of the doubt, but seeing that they are writing in a context we need to appreciate, trust more things that were contemporary with the writing, trust less everything else. We are more capable of having a naively accurate understanding of our personal circumstances (as at the time we write) than any other time prior to our perceptions.
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Re: Getting definitions right while doing ancient history

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I know John Marincola. Nice to see him quoted.

Great stuff, spin. Makes me want to look into the book, crazed though I am by the number of "Companions" or "Handbooks" out there.

Some ancients did apply a critical eye to past writings. For example, Favorinus showed that Polycrates' notorious Accusation of Socrates was not authentic because it mentioned the rebuilding of Athens' Long Walls, which did not occur until some five years after Socrates' death (cf. Diogenes Laertius 2.39). Of course, it's another problem what Favorinus meant by "not authentic..." Hermippus of Smyrna was often accused of making up slanderous stories, as were Aristoxenus and others. Some of the Alexandrian critics employ a critical eye toward their souces. But I agree that ancient commentators and historians did not "put their authorities to question" in a consistent, critical way or on a wide scale.
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Re: Getting definitions right while doing ancient history

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Just read Marincola's chapter; good stuff. John Curran, the writer of the Companion's chapter on Christianity, accepts the gospels and Acts as giving accurate information about the events they purport to describe; no mythicist Curran. The list of contributors says he teaches in Belfast. He must be the same chap as the one whom I criticized for what I consider a naive article on the archeological findings about Peter's supposed tomb in Rome:

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