Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:19 pm
There are sayings which make no sense in Greek but which make perfect sense in Hebrew or Aramaic:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3718, implying that they hail from a Semitic environment. There are Semitisms in the gospels which, while they are not enough to prove that the texts are translations from a Semitic tongue, are enough to show that the authors were probably bilingual, writing in Greek in a Semitic way.
Your argument makes very little sense. The authors of the Gospels, Acts of the Apostles and the Epistles openly made direct references to Jewish writings and copied word for word passages from the books of the Jewish prophets.
It would be expected that certain sayings in Hebrew would not make sense in Greek just like some sayings in English today would not make sense if translated to another language.
I am glad you agree with me.
Again, your claim makes little sense. You have contradicted yourself.
I certainly do not agree with you at all since it is known that the Jesus story was derived directly by manipulating the Septuagint and the writings of Josephus.
The Semitisms in the Christian Bible is a direct result of copying Jewish Scripture and other Jewish writings already written in Greek.
GMatthew and the works of Josephus show how the Jesus story was manufactured.
Matthew 1:22
Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet
Matthew 2:17
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet
Matthew 4:14
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet
Matthew 8:17
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet
Matthew 12:17
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet
Matthew 13:14
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias
Matthew 13:35
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet
Matthew 21:4
All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet
Matthew 26:56
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled
Matthew 27:9
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet
Matthew 27:35
And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet
The stories of the character called Jesus in the NT are derived from events about other characters found in the writings attributed to Josephus.
Jesus the son of Ananus in Josephus
War of the Jews 6.5.3
....... he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said....
Jesus the Son of Sapphias in Josephus
Life of Josephus
Jesus the son of Sapphias, one of those whom we have already mentioned as the leader of a seditious tumult of mariners and poor people, prevented us, and took with him certain Galileans.....
Jesus the brother of James in Josephus
Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others
Jesus the High Priest in Josephus
Antiquities of the Jews 20.9.1
Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.
The crucifixion of three Jews where one survived in Josephus.
Life of Josephus
.....as I came back, I saw many captives crucified, and remembered three of them as my former acquaintance. I was very sorry at this in my mind, and went with tears in my eyes to Titus, and told him of them; so he immediately commanded them to be taken down, and to have the greatest care taken of them, in order to their recovery; yet two of them died under the physician's hands, while the third recovered.