MrMacSon wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:07 pm
Yes, a pretty detailed description of worship, which is good, though no-specific 'memoirs'.
Elsewhere Justin mentions that the memoirs were written by the apostles and by their followers, and more specifically he also names either "the memoirs of Peter" or "the memoirs of Christ," depending on how you read the sentence. Is that what you are talking about?
I was after more though: more signs there was more engagement with specific memoirs, or even an 'epistle of Justine' that might reflect a sermon worthy of preserving or may have been worthy of including in the canon, or a 'para-canonical' collection.
Well, of course, whenever a Christian writes an epistle to a community to which a previous famous Christian has also written or in which a previous famous Christian has evangelized, he tends to mention that previous person, right?
The Church of God which sojourns at Rome, to the Church of God sojourning at Corinth, to those who are called and sanctified by the will of God, through our Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you, and peace, from Almighty God through Jesus Christ, be multiplied.
Take up the epistle of the blessed Apostle Paul. What did he write to you at the time when the Gospel first began to be preached? Truly, under the inspiration of the Spirit, he wrote to you concerning himself, and Cephas, and Apollos, because even then parties had been formed among you [1 Corinthians].
I do not, as Peter and Paul, issue commandments unto you [Romans].
You [Ephesians] are initiated into the mysteries of the Gospel with Paul, the holy, the martyred, the deservedly most happy, at whose feet may I be found, when I shall attain to God; who in all his Epistles makes mention of you in Christ Jesus.
But I have not found any such thing in you [Philippians], neither have heard thereof, among whom the blessed Paul labored, who were his letters in the beginning. For he boasteth of you in all those churches which alone at that time knew God; for we knew Him not as yet.
For neither am I, nor is any other like unto me, able to follow the wisdom of the blessed and glorious Paul, who when he came among you taught face to face with the men of that day the word which concerneth truth carefully and surely; who also, when he was absent, wrote a letter unto you [Philippians], into the which if ye look diligently, ye shall be able to be builded up unto the faith given to you....
Dionysius of Corinth:
Therefore you also have by such admonition joined in close union the churches that were planted by Peter and Paul, that of the Romans and that of the Corinthians: for both of them went to our Corinth, and taught us in the same way as they taught you when they went to Italy; and having taught you, they suffered martyrdom at the same time.
And communities communicated with each other, especially by epistle:
Thou shalt therefore write two little books, and shalt send one to Clement, and one to Grapte. So Clement shall send to the foreign cities, for this is his duty; while Grapte shall instruct the widows and the orphans. But thou shalt read (the book) to this city along with the elders that preside over the Church.
Martyrdom of Polycarp:
The church of God which sojourneth in Smyrna, to the church of God that sojourneth in Philomelia, and to all the settlements of the holy and Catholic Church in every place, mercy, peace, and love from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ be multiplied unto you.
Seeing that the Church which is at Antioch in Syria is, as report has informed me, at peace, through your prayers [Polycarp], I also am the more encouraged, resting without anxiety in God, if indeed by means of suffering I may attain to God, so that, through your prayers, I may be found a disciple [of Christ].
Inasmuch as I have not been able to write to all the Churches, because I must suddenly sail from Troas to Neapolis, as the will [of the emperor] enjoins, [I beg that] you, as being acquainted with the purpose of God, will write to the adjacent Churches, that they also may act in like manner, such as are able to do so sending messengers, and the others transmitting letters through those persons who are sent by you, that you may be glorified by a work which shall be remembered for ever, as indeed you are worthy to be. I salute all by name, and in particular the wife of Epitropus, with all her house and children.
If these examples are not what you are looking for, specific Christians in one Christian community mentioning specific Christian texts written to other specific Christian communities, then what? You mentioned the Mishnah and the Talmud in this connection; if the above is not "it" (so to speak), can you quote something from the Mishnah or from the Talmud along the lines of what you are finding in Jewish communities but not in Christian communities?