hakeem wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:05 am
The character called Paul and letters were manufactured no earlier than the 2nd century in an attempt to historicise the fable called the resurrection.
Irish1975 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:55 am
If, as you suppose, Paul is a fictional character, why are there so many incompatible versions of him in the NT? Wouldn't these hypothetical 2nd century fabulists be able to get their story straight?
1. genuine Paul (Rom, 1 & 2 Cor, Gal, 1 Thss, Phil, Phlm)
2. deutero Paul (Eph, Col)
3. fake Paul (pastorals)
4. impossibly fake superhero Paul (Acts)
It took almost 2000 years for people to realise the so-called Pauline letters were really products of multiple authors and that letters were composed after the Fall of the Temple c 70 CE.
For hundreds of years Christians writers were claiming all the letters under the name of Paul were genuine when in fact the letters are falsely attributed to a manufactured character called Paul.
The Muratorian Canon
....the blessed Apostle Paul, following the rule of his predecessor John, writes to no more than seven churches by name, in this order: the first to the Corinthians, the second to the Ephesians, the third to the Philippians, the fourth to the Colossians, the fifth to the Galatians, the sixth to the Thessalonians, the seventh to the Romans. Moreover, though he writes twice to the Corinthians and Thessalonians for their correction.........He wrote, besides these, one to Philemon, and one to Titus, and two to Timothy,.
Eusebius' EH 3.3 5.
Paul's fourteen epistles are well known and undisputed.
Jerome's De Viris Illustribus
He wrote nine epistles to seven churches: To the Romans one, To the Corinthians two, To the Galatians one, To the Ephesians one, To the Philippians one, To the Colossians one, To the Thessalonians two; and besides these to his disciples, To Timothy two, To Titus one, To Philemon one.
Irish1975 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:55 am
Also, Paul's account of the resurrection in 1 Cor 15 does not in fact "historicise" the gospel tale of the resurrection. Paul's resurrection is entirely mythical and mystical. It is not flesh and blood, a revivified corpse, but rather a "spiritual body." There is no empty tomb for Paul either.
What bizarre nonsense!!!
The Pauline writer admitted he was claiming or implying to be a witness that God raised Jesus from the dead.
1 Corinthians 15:15
Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
The letters under the name of Paul are in the Christian Bible because they are compatible with the teachings of the Church that Jesus, the Lord from heaven, the Creator, God's own Son, was killed by the Jews and that he bodily resurrected on the third day.
It is simply absurd to suggest that the Church would have used multiple epistles with known heresies from a known heretic which contradicted their own teachings.
Letters under the name of Paul were used by Church writers to argue against Marcion and furthermore Church writers who used the Pauline letters taught that Jesus bodily resurrected.
Irish1975 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:55 am
Show me an ancient author as palpably as distinctive and consistent in his own voice as the Paul of the seven genuine letters.
Again, you post absurdities. You seem to have no idea that there are no such thing as genuine Paul writings. The existing Epistles were handwritten no earlier than the mid-2nd century.
The author of Acts claims or implies that he was a companion of Paul but did not corroborate, did not show, did not acknowledge that Paul wrote letters to Churches up to the time of Festus c 61-63 CE and showed no influence by supposed Pauline teachings.