hakeem wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:58 pm
You are the one who wrote the nonsense about writings in the Christian Bible are historical evidence of Paul not realising that the Christian Bible claims the Lord Jesus was on earth.
Kapyong wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:54 pm
Hmmm, are you saying that Paul DID realise that the Christian Bible claims the Lord Jesus was on earth ?
Which Paul are you talking about? The characters called Paul were manufactured no earlier than c 170 or after True Discourse attributed to Celsus.
One of the Epistles under the name of Paul claimed the Lord Jesus gave him information about the Last Supper which is found in Luke and Justin's First Apology.
1 Corinthians 11
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
Now look at gLuke.
Luke 22
17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
Examine First Apology attributed to Justin
Justin's Apology
For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, "This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body;" and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, "This is My blood;" and gave it to them alone...
The Last Supper was an earthly event in Christian Bible stories.
The argument that the Epistles under the name of Paul teach about a Jesus who was never on earth is completely absurd and without support in or out their Canon.
hakeem wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:58 pm
It most astonishing that you would use the Christian Bible as a credible historical source for Bible characters.
Kapyong wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:54 pm
More astonishing that you would accuse a Jesus Mythicist of such.
That is precisely what is so astonishing. You reject the historicity of Jesus in the Bible yet admit you use the same Bible as historical evidence of a Bible character called Paul.
Kapyong wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:54 pmLook -
no offence hakeem, but your English comprehension just isn't up to the task here - you frequently miss the entire point of poster's arguments. And you couple that with rude arrogance. It's not working out for any of us.
What you say about me is rather useless because you have no historical evidence of an actual person called Paul and cannot show that he wrote letters to anyone at anytime.
It is most alarming that one whose English comprehension is supposedly so great yet your myth Jesus [never on earth Jesus] argument is so extremely weak by completely mis-representing the teachings of the Christian Bible.
In any event, the letters under the name of Paul support the teachings of the Church and the writings in their Canon that Jesus was the Lord from heaven, God's own Son, the Creator, killed by the Jews, was raised from the dead and seen by his disciples.
Kapyong wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:54 pm
May I suggest you take a different tack ?
Kapyong
My argument that Jesus was not a figure of history cannot be changed unless there is new evidence.
Christian writings admit their Jesus was the Lord God who came down from heaven and then became man born of a woman.
The Christians, then, trace the beginning of their religion from Jesus the Messiah; and he is named the Son of God Most High. And it is said that God came down from heaven, and from a Hebrew virgin assumed and clothed himself with flesh; and the Son of God lived in a daughter of man. This is taught in the gospel....