Great! That what I have been thinking (& documented & justified) for many years.Carrier claims 1 Corinthians is a stitching together of more than 1 letter.
Cordially, Bernard
Great! That what I have been thinking (& documented & justified) for many years.Carrier claims 1 Corinthians is a stitching together of more than 1 letter.
I prefer the sufficiency of a good conscience with its ability to guide men and women.Eric wrote:In the words A Kempis Thomas, I submit the following on this thread:
If thou knewest the whole Bible, and the sayings of all the philosophers, what should all this profit thee without the love and grace of God? Vanity of vanities, all is vanity, save to love God, and Him only to serve. That is the highest wisdom, to cast the world behind us, and to reach forward to the heavenly kingdom.
I like it.beowulf wrote:I prefer the sufficiency of a good conscience with its ability to guide men and women.Eric wrote:In the words A Kempis Thomas, I submit the following on this thread:
If thou knewest the whole Bible, and the sayings of all the philosophers, what should all this profit thee without the love and grace of God? Vanity of vanities, all is vanity, save to love God, and Him only to serve. That is the highest wisdom, to cast the world behind us, and to reach forward to the heavenly kingdom.
Thomas à Kempis. (b. 1379 or 1380, d. 1471). The Imitation of Christ.
Book II: Admonitions Concerning the Inner Life VI. Of the Joy of a Good Conscience
The Harvard Classics. 1909–14.
De lætitia bonæ conscientiæ
1. Gloria boni hominis: testimonium bonæ conscientiæ. Habe bonam conscientiam: et habebis semper lætitiam. Bona conscientia valde multa potest portare: et valde læta est inter adversa. Mala conscientia, semper timida est et inquieta. Suaviter requiesces: si cor tuum te non reprehenderit. Noli lætari: nisi cum bene feceris.
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/kempis.html
THE TESTIMONY of a good conscience is the glory of a good man. Have a good conscience and thou shalt ever have joy. A good conscience is able to bear exceeding much, and is exceeding joyful in the midst of adversities; an evil conscience is ever fearful and unquiet. Thou shalt rest sweetly if thy heart condemn thee not. Never rejoice unless when thou hast done well.
http://www.bartleby.com/7/2/206.html
That's not how it came across in minutes 23-34:stevencarrwork wrote:Philo never named this being.
One assume that people were aware of a thing called 'Scripture' and could easily look up the name of the being that Philo referenced.
Still wouldn't mean he was correct. Steven Carr is right. Philo doesn't identify the name of the divine being as 'Jesus.' That's sloppiness on Carrier's part and the fact that you go along with it only shows the kind of people who are attracted to this stuff. There is no way that a Jew could believe that the name of the divine being was Jesus. Period.If Carrier can persuade me, then he may persuade millions.
Well, he said it. It wasn't sloppiness IMO. Says more about Carrier than me IMO... I knew there was controversy about the name and what was really written or meant, whether it was Jacob or Jesus, or whatever. I qualified my statement about the homerun, or did you overlook that?stephan happy huller wrote:Still wouldn't mean he was correct. Steven Carr is right. Philo doesn't identify the name of the divine being as 'Jesus.' That's sloppiness on Carrier's part and the fact that you go along with it only shows the kind of people who are attracted to this stuff. There is no way that a Jew could believe that the name of the divine being was Jesus. Period.If Carrier can persuade me, then he may persuade millions.
We have a lot more in common than you think Stephan. We both just want the truth. I just don't have the time you do to put into it...His comment about Philo naming this being Jesus was a homerun--if that is in fact true (I know it has been debated...actually what is the debate here? Do we not know what Philo really named this being?)