to Giuseppe,
Bernard Muller wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:03 pm
But in Ro 13:3, these archontes can be identified as Roman authorities.
why only Roman authorities? You are starting with the false assumption that the gentiles met by Paul were only gentiles of the Roman Empire. Hence that the archontes could be only Roman rulers. Do you are aware that some Jewish would-be king saw with simpathy to a possible anti-Roman alliance with Parthians? Therefore it is another possibiliter fallacy to believe that the archontes of Rom 13 can be only Romans and not Parthians. Therefore it is far from certain to believe that archontes in 1 cor 2:6-8 refers ipso facto to Romans, even when you mean earthly archontes in 1 Cor 2:6-8. Paul had to be more specific in order to mean earthly ROMAN archontes.
Because the letter was sent to the inhabitants of Rome and there the authorities are Romans, and not Parthians.
The Romans (and not the Parthians) were also in charge of Judea in the 1st century from 6 AD.
"Paul had to be more specific in order to mean earthly ROMAN archontes." Why? Paul preaching in the Roman empire certainly did not want to specify Romans killed Jesus, the son of God.
Case in point: the gospels authors took great pain into minimizing the role of Pilate into (reluctantly) sending Jesus to the cross; instead they blamed the Jews and the chief priests for that.
Paul was not specific about ROMAN archontes, but also he was not about alleged demonic archontes in 1 Co 2:8.
BTW, Paul is never said to have preached in Parthian controlled territories.
The Book of Enoch was surely known by Paul insofar he also ascended to third heaven.
The traditional Jewish system had three heavens: the lower one was below the firmament & above the earth. The middle one was the firmament. The highest and third one was the domain of God. That's where Paul put Christ, at the right hand of God, in Romans 8:34.
However I think "third heaven" & "paradise" in 2 Co 2:12 might be interpolations because these words are never used in other places of the Pauline epistles, even if Paul had many opportunities to do so.
In Galatians, Jesus is also born of woman as a Jew, and a descendant of Abraham. And that's not implied.
Any serious mythicist accepts this fact. That Jesus is humanoid in Paul.
Descendants of Abraham and born of woman are not humanoids but humans.
is the dragon of Revelation a fallen angel? Isn't he battled by good angels?
Still no demons and no archangels.
a davidic person would have to be a king of the Jews not a servant.
The Davidian dynasty was over. Even if someone is credited to be a descendant of David, that does not make him a king. Actually, according to the OT, David had many direct descendants and only one became king: Solomon. The other direct descendants did not have any kings among their own descendants, generation after generations.
Paul never called Jesus "king".
I repeat again: any serious mythicist thinks that Jesus has to be humanoid in Paul. If his goal was to save fallen angels, Jesus would have taken a demon-oid body.
Descendants of the tribe of Judah are humans, not humanoids.
"called Christ" is interpolated in Josephus
I beg to differ. All explanations for interpolation, including Carrier's
http://historical-jesus.info/104.html, are very far-fetched.
Cordially, Bernard