Zeitgeist Part 1

[Maximos]

In my view, people have totally misunderstood how Zeitgeist part 1 was created and attack it on false premises.

Basic factoids concerning Zeitgeist part 1:

Zeitgeist: The Movie, Part 1 on religion (2007), is only around 25 minutes long and is merely a basic introduction into the world of comparative religion, mythology and astrotheology. Zeitgeist has been translated into nearly 3 dozen languages and has received over 300 million online views worldwide - so there's clearly quite a bit of interest in this subject.

Zeitgeist was never created to serve as a 'scholarly' documentary, therefore, one may disagree with specific language in how Peter Joseph said or presented things as he does not pretend to be a scholar, however, the contentions in Zeitgeist part 1 are substantiated by valid evidence and scholar commentary on them. Despite claims to the contrary, Zeitgeist part 1 has not been successfully refuted.

HOW DID "ZEITGEIST: THE MOVIE" COME TO BE?:

"The original Zeitgeist was actually not a "film", but a performance piece, which consisted of a vaudevillian style multi-media event using recorded music, live instruments and video. The event was given over a 6-night period in New York City and then, without any interest to professionally release or produce the work, was "tossed" up on the Internet arbitrarily. The work was never designed as a film or even a documentary in a traditional sense - it was designed as a creative, provoking, emotionally driven expression, full of artistic extremity and heavily stylized gestures.

However, once online, an unexpected flood of interest began to generate. Within 6 months over 50 Million views were recorded on Google Video counters (before they were reset for some reason). The current combined estimates put the number of Internet views at over 100 million as of 2009. Suddenly "Zeitgeist" the event, became "Zeitgeist: The Movie"." (The current combined estimates put the number of Internet views at over 300 million as of 2013.)

- Peter Joseph

"The religion section is the strongest of the whole work"

- Peter Joseph

Sourcebook for Zeitgeist Part 1 with the transcript, images & sources. There are over 150 sources cited, in nearly 350 footnotes and around 80 images just in the ZG1 section alone!

Primary Sources, Publications and Scholars Cited in The ZEITGEIST Sourcebook

- Zeitgeist Part 1 & the Supportive Evidence

[Maximos]

[Maximos]

Primary Sources, Publications and Scholars Cited in The ZEITGEIST Sourcebook

Contrary to popular misconception, the information in the religion part of the hit internet movie, the first "Zeitgeist" film comes from numerous primary sources, including the following, as well as the works of highly credentialed authorities in the best academic publications, also listed here. It should be noted that this list does not include the multitude of other artifacts and writings from antiquity that may be found in the other works of D.M. Murdock/Acharya S.

Ancient artifacts and archaeological sites

Lascaux, Altamira and Trois Freres cave paintings
Tassili N'Aijer figures
Mohenjo-daro, Indus Valley site
Goseck, Germany
Thirteen Towers, Chankillo, Peru
Nabta Playa, Egypt
Karanovo Tablet
Dendera zodiac and other Egyptian artifacts
Brindisi disk
Greek pottery, paintings, mosaics, temples
Roman mosaics, paintings and statuary
Early Christian artifacts, etc.

Murdock does research in a variety of languages, both modern and ancient, such as: Ancient and modern Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Sanskrit, Vedic, Persian, Egyptian, Coptic, French, Italian, Spanish, German and a smattering of other languages as the need arises.

Ancient Writings

Egyptian hymns, hieroglyphs, papyri and carvings
Pyramid Texts
Coffin Texts
Book of the Dead
Herodotus
Berossus
Diodorus
Porphyry
Eusebius
Pausanias
Bible
Pythagoras
Plato
Aristotle
Diodorus Siculus
Epiphanius
Hippolytus
Plutarch
Tertullian
Justin Martyr
Minucius Felix
Clement Alexandrinus
Tatian
Augustine
Arnobius
Julius Firmicus Maternus
Lactantius
Macrobius
Julian
Vedas
Mahabharata
Bhagavad Gita
Bhagavata Purana
Mahāvastu
Lalita Vistara
Vishnu Purana
Hesiod
Homer
Euripides
Proclus
Origen
Celsus
Philo
Josephus
Avesta
Pseudo-Eratosthenes
Venerable Bede
Cyprian
Ambrose
Hipparchus
Archelaus
Epic of Gilgamesh
Assyrian, Babylonia, Akkadian tablets
Dead Sea Scrolls
Tacitus

The information also comes from the best and most thorough, scholarly and modern sources wherever possible, with the result that many authorities cited possess credentials from respected institutes of higher learning, and their publishers are some of the most scholarly in English (and other languages), such as the following.

Academic Publishers

E.J. Brill
Peeters
Kegan Paul
Oxford University/Clarendon Press
Princeton University Press
Cambridge University Press
Cornell University Press
Yale University Press
University of Chicago Press
University of Pennsylvania Press
University of Wisconsin Press
Johns Hopkins Press
Harcourt, Brace & Co.
Macmillan & Co., etc.

Those who really know what academia is will recognize the list above as the best of the most respected institutes of higher learning.

Professional Scholars

Dr. Miranda J. Aldhouse-Green, a professor of Archaeology at Cardiff University
Dr. Lee I.A. Levine, a professor at the Jewish Theological Seminary
Dr. Edwin C. Krupp, director of the Griffith Observatory
Dr. Emund S. Meltzer, American Egyptologist
Dr. James P. Allen, curator of Egyptian Art at the Metropolitan Museum of Art
Dr. Erik Hornung, professor emeritus of Egyptology at the University of Basel
Dr. Henri Frankfort, Dutch Egyptologist
Dr. Jan Assman, professor of Egyptology at the University of Konstanz
Dr. Badrya Serry, director of the Antiquities Museum at the Bibliotheca Alexandrina in Egypt
Dr. Bojana Mojsov, Egyptologist
Dr. Reginald E. Witt, Egyptologist and professor at the University of London
Dr. G. Johannes Botterweck, professor of Old Testament and Catholic Theology at the University of Bonn
Dr. Alfred Wiedermann, Egyptologist and professor of Oriental Languages at the University of Bonn
Dr. John Gwyn Griffiths, Welsh professor of Classics and Egyptology
Dr. Raymond O. Faulkner, English Egyptologist
Dr. Tryggve N.D. Mettinger, professor of Old Testament Studies at the University of Lund
Rev. Dr. Alfred Bertholet, a theologian and professor at the University of Göttingen
Dr. Herman te Velde, a chairman of the Department of Egyptology at the University of Groningen
Dr. Andrew T. Fear, professor of Classics and Ancient History at the University of Manchester
Dr. David Adams Leeming, professor emeritus of English and comparative literature at the University of Connecticut
Dr. Patricia A. Johnston, Brandeis University professor of Classical Studies
Dr. David John Tacey, professor at La Trobe University
Dr. Edwin F. Bryant, professor of Hinduism at Rutgers University
Dr. Hugo Rahner, Jesuit theologian, dean and president of Innsbruck University
Sir Dr. Edmund Ronald Leach, Cambridge professor and anthropologist
Dr. Donald White, professor emeritus of Classics at the University of Pennsylvania
Dr. Martin Schwartz, professor of Iranian Studies at the University of California
Rev. Dr. Harold R. Willoughby, professor of New Testament and Early Christian Literature at the University of Chicago
Dr. Mary Boyce, professor of Iranian Studies
Dr. Payam Nabarz, Iranian scholar
Dr. Marvin Meyers, a professor of Religious Studies at Chapman College
Dr. Theony Condos, professor at the American University of Armenia
Dr. Aviram Oshri, senior archaeologist with the Israeli Antiquities Authority
Dr. Chris Dolan, American astronomer
Rev. Dunbar T. Heath of the Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland
Dr. John L. Heilbron, professor of History at the University of California, Berkeley
Dr. K.A. Heinrich Kellner, a professor of Catholic Theology at the University of Bonn
Dr. David Ulansey, philosopher professor at California Institute of Integral Studies
Dr. Robert M. Schoch, geologist and professor at Boston University
Dr. Henricus Oort, Dutch theologian and professor of Hebrew Antiquities at the University of Leiden
Rev. Dr. J. Glen Taylor, an associate professor of Old Testament at the University of Toronto

- http://truthbeknown.com/zeitgeistsources.html

[stephan happy huller]

Why don't you put in plain English what part of this presentation you feel is appropriate for discussion.

[outhouse]

Garbage in and garbage out.


I like what Carrier once stated, he hates people who watch this nonsense because it waist his time when he has to flush all the garbage out of students minds. So he has a clean slate to build on.

[Maximos]

Garbage in and garbage out.

I like what Carrier once stated, he hates people who watch this nonsense because it waist his time when he has to flush all the garbage out of students minds. So he has a clean slate to build on.

LOL, Carrier has been debunked by Acharya so badly it's laughable.

Acharya's responses to Dick Carrier

Richard Carrier on Zeitgeist Part 1

Dawkins on Zeitgeist Part 1

[Peter Kirby]

LOL, Carrier has been debunked by Acharya so badly it's laughable.

Yes, Carrier has been "debunked" by Acharya so badly it's laughable.

The problem with this thread is that it's been a matter of dueling assertions and links. Links are not authentic engagement. Simple assertions do not advance the conversation. And what you give is what you get. If you actually started making your own arguments out of the ancient source material, you'd give everyone something they can respect as a contribution to the forum and to which they would be more inclined to respond reasonably and amiably.

[Roger Pearse]

Primary Sources, Publications and Scholars Cited in The ZEITGEIST Sourcebook

Contrary to popular misconception, the information in the religion part of the hit internet movie, the first "Zeitgeist" film comes from numerous primary sources, including the following, as well as the works of highly credentialed authorities in the best academic publications, also listed here. ...

The information also comes from the best and most thorough, scholarly and modern sources wherever possible, with the result that many authorities cited possess credentials from respected institutes of higher learning, and their publishers are some of the most scholarly in English (and other languages), such as the following.

Professional Scholars
...
Dr. Mary Boyce, professor of Iranian Studies

Are you asserting that Mary endorses the statements in this film?

Did anyone ask her?

[Roger Pearse]

LOL, Carrier has been debunked by Acharya so badly it's laughable.

Acharya's responses to Dick Carrier

I am unable to find anything resembling a debunking at that link.

[stephan happy huller]

Here is a bad sign:

Marvin Meyers, a professor of Religious Studies at Chapman College

It's Marvin Meyer. I used to be an acquaintance before he passed away. There is no way he would endorse this stuff if he were alive. I can vouch for that.