Re: James 1.1 and 2.1.
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:07 pm
robert j wrote:
Two of the verses from James that I cited above are from chapter two (half of which is devoted to the issue of the "foolish man" and faith without works) and the other one is in the next chapter (all of which is devoted to how to be a proper teacher and "taming the tongue" and jealousy, selfish ambition and boasting), all of which seems applicable to Paul to me, given what he says in 2 Cor. 11, but if you don't agree then fine.
As for Paul promoting faith without works, I get this impression from things like Gal. 2:15-16:
I recall having a discussion a with you when I joined the forum several years ago where you argued that Paul had not really been a Pharisee, and this discussion with you is striking me the same way. Just saying.1) You still haven’t clearly demonstrated that Paul promoted faith without works.
2) I don’t have time for this crap John2. By “crap”, I mean stringing together 3 separate passages from James as if it was a single passage, and without even identifying the verse numbers.
3) And even then, the best you can come up with here is suggesting that there is a significant correlation between one boasting with bitter jealousy and self-interest in their hearts and lying against the truth, in James 3:14 --- and Paul’s use of a related term and claiming to boast a little as a fool, but with confidence, in 2 Corinthians 11:16.
Two of the verses from James that I cited above are from chapter two (half of which is devoted to the issue of the "foolish man" and faith without works) and the other one is in the next chapter (all of which is devoted to how to be a proper teacher and "taming the tongue" and jealousy, selfish ambition and boasting), all of which seems applicable to Paul to me, given what he says in 2 Cor. 11, but if you don't agree then fine.
As for Paul promoting faith without works, I get this impression from things like Gal. 2:15-16:
We who are Jews by birth and not Gentile ‘sinners’ know that a man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.