Simon, Peter, & Cephas revisited.

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Simon, Peter, & Cephas revisited.

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Another possibly silly attempt of mine to examine the relevant data from a different point of view.

The Caiaphas ossuary inscriptions are:

יהוסף בר קיפא
יהוסף בר קפא

The name Caiaphas (קפא or קיפא) is spelled with a qoph, but the word for a rock/stone/pebble is כפא, with a kaph. If Cephas (Κηφᾶς) means "rock" (basically "Rocky" as a name), then an initial kaph got transliterated as an initial kappa, which is not impossible, but is comparatively rare. It is intrinsically more likely, therefore, that Κηφᾶς represents קפא/קיפא (Cephas/Caiaphas) rather than כפא (rock). Let us run with this intrinsic likelihood for the sake of argument.

Caiaphas is a family name, not a personal name, for the famous high priest who was known as Joseph Caiaphas. Caiaphas was probably the name of an important ancestor of his. Let us suppose, then, that the famous pillar of Jerusalem known to Paul was actually named Simon Caiaphas, and he belonged to the Caiaphas family of Jerusalem. (Alternatively, Caiaphas could be his actual name, and Simon his Greek nickname, since Jews with Hebrew names tended to adopt Greek or sometimes Latin names for themselves, as well.) There is no need to suppose that this Simon Caiaphas was in any way as important as Joseph Caiaphas; Simon could well have been a distant cousin, born to a cadet branch of the family. Nevertheless, even being a somewhat obscure member of an important family could easily explain how he might be considered a pillar in his own circles in the south, in Judea.

Now, let us also suppose that there existed an early Christian from the north, from Galilee, named Symeon Peter (Acts 15.14; 2 Peter 1.1). Symeon = שִׁמְע֣וֹן/Συμεών, the name of the patriarch. Simon is a Greek name, but it could be used as the Greek equivalent for the Hebrew name Symeon. Peter = Πέτρος/πέτρος = "Rocky"/"rock," doubtless a nickname, given its apparent rarity before this time.

There is actually no true etymological overlap between Simon Cephas (= Greek name + Caiaphas) and Symeon Peter (= Hebrew name + "Rocky" as a nickname). But it is easy to see how the two names could be conflated, whether deliberately or accidentally, into Symeon Cephas (purely Semitic) or Simon Peter (purely Greek), the latter being by far the most likely due to the fact that most of the relevant texts are extant in Greek, not in Hebrew or Aramaic. The relationship between Peter and Cephas/Caiaphas would be, not etymological, but rather on the level of a pun: close enough for one word to call the other to mind in the right circumstances.

This conflation still works with my still purely hypothetical slightly different approach to the Cephas/Peter textual issue in Galatians. But it also reduces the number of figures on another thread of mine from three to two. Instead of...:
  • Simon = Galilean disciple.
  • Cephas = Judean/Jerusalemite pillar.
  • Peter = Hellenistic/Diaspora apostle.
...we get:
  • Symeon Peter = Galilean figure & eventual Hellenistic/Diaspora apostle; possibly a recipient of a mountaintop vision.
  • Simon Cephas = Judean/Jerusalemite pillar.
The conflation of these two figures would be very early.

What do you think?

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I wonder, could Peter (Πέτρος) be the Greek name that Cephas (Κηφᾶς) קפא gave his son?

When I read Paul I see Peter and Cephas as two distinct individuals because Paul seems to treat them that way. Peter seems to be a peer of Paul but Cephas seems to be an authority figure to Paul.

Perhaps Paul met Cephas in Jerusalem because Peter told him "If you're ever in the city, look my old man up, he's good for a place to crash". It's helpful to realize that, going off of Paul's letters, that he seems to be from Damascus and Jerusalem is a foreign city to him.

Another option, of course, is that 'Peter' was added to Paul after the Gospels.
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There is allot of Latin in the Gospel of Mark thus i considered a Latin route , In Mark 8:33 , Peter is called Satanas , similar too Latin Setania [σητάνιον] meaning Onion also called Caepa/Cepa [κάπια] and Unionum . In Hebrew, Shuwm [שׁוּם] (Simon?) is a Garlic, Gk this is σκόρδα[Skorda] know also as σκελίδα [Skelida] or Scallion "kind of onion", apparently from Ascalon [ Ashkelon, Israel ] .

Flavius Josephus [ J. AJ 14.127] [Mat 16:18]
"the Egyptian Jews, who dwelt in the country called Onion"
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... ight=onion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Onias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leontopolis_(Heliopolis)
The account of Josephus in The Jewish War,[4] refers to the Onias who built the Temple at Leontopolis as "the son of Simon", implying that it was Onias III, and not his son, who fled to Egypt and built the Temple. This account, however, is contradicted by the story that Onias III was murdered at Antioch in 171 BCE

Leontopolite temple was closed in the first century CEII


Simon also similar too Semoni [Latin god of crops ] known also as Semo Sangus [Sancus] , Salus Semonia and Dia Semonia or Simoni Deo Sancto [Justin Martyr’s 1 Apology 26 ], Christian Sin, Marriage and Sainthood came from this Roman cult.

Simons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simonides_of_Ceos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semonides_of_Amorgos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_II_(High_Priest)

"Onias Simonides"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onias_II
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So... your solution is that Simon Peter is the god of onions...?
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Ben C. Smith wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:00 pm So... your solution is that Simon Peter is the god of onions...?
Onias [ חוֹנִיּוֹ‎] is the name of several Jewish priests, many of them are called Onias Simonides , Onias in Latin is Onion, known also as Cepa .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onias

It could be that his original name was Onias or descended from that family.
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There is another solution, the clue is his epithet Βαριωνᾶ (Son of Jonah).

Jonah[Ιωνα] the son of Amittai from Gath Hepher (2 Kings 14:25)

Gath Hepher appears in Joshua 19:13, a place along Japhia , an area allotted too Simeon.

Pausanias - Book 4, chapter 35
Red water, color like blood is found near the city of Joppa, the natives give of the spring is that Perseus, after destroying
the sea-monster(κῆτος ), to which the daughter of Cepheus was exposed, washed off the blood in the spring.

Jonas was three days and three nights in the belly(κοιλία) of Cetus(κῆτος ) (Mat 12:40).

The name Cepheus is written Κηφεύς, compare this with Κηφᾶς , I assume the word is from כַּף [Kaph ] meaning 'Hollow' , the Greek translation being κοιλία (Koilia) " belly/womb" but also named for Κοίλη Συρία (Coele-Syria)

Gen 8:9 - Dove(Jonah) found no rest for the sole(Kaph) of her foot.
2 Samuel 7:12 - I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels(κοιλίας ) and I will establish his kingdom.
Isaiah 48:19 ' offspring of thy bowels (ἔκγονα τῆς κοιλίας) - (γονάω) > ( John/Jonah/Jonathan).

The Lexicon states Keph roots from kaphaph[כָּפַף] "bow down / dig " [Isa 58:5] and this verse gives us the Greek cognate being κάμψῃς or καμψός [Kampsos] " Crooked / Bent", also written κάμπτω [ Kamptw] , In Psalms 57:6 it is ὤρυξαν (ὀρύσσω) ' dig' , synonym of κάμπτω is σκολιός (Skolias) , this is the probable origin of Scallion (Onion) and thus Keph(כְּף) is cognate with the Latin Caepa (Onion).

The bulb of an onion, the Hebrew word is כַּפְתּוֹר [kaphtor] " Exo 25:33 " Bulb(כַּפְתּוֹר ) of a flower " but also means Capital ( of a pillar)
but in Amos 9:1-Zephaniah 2:14, the corresponding Greek word is πύλον ( Pylos) " Gate" (Mat 16:18).

כַּפְתּוֹר (kaphtor) > פְתּוֹר (Ptor) or פָּטַר(Peter) H6362

1 Kings 6:18 - Open (Peter) flowers
Exodus 13:2 - Openeth (Peter) the womb ' פֶּטֶר (Peter) = πατήρ (Father) '

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... 6363&t=KJV
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I now understand how the character was named.

Exodus 13:2 "Open(Peter) the womb" , the Greek word for Peter(פֶּטֶר) is διανοῖγον and this word and phrase occurs just before Simon is introduced.

Luke 2:23
Every male that openeth (διανοίγω) the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;

Luke 2:24 mentions 'Doves' ( Jonah) and then Simon is introduced in the following verse.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/exo ... conc_63002
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/luk ... onc_975023
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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