Is Joseph of Arimathea really the best disciple?

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Is Joseph of Arimathea really the best disciple?

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Isaiah 53:9
He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth

If his grave was ''with the wicked'', then the ''rich'' (Joseph of Arimathea) has to be a ''wicked'' by definition (of midrash).

But we are said that Joseph was a true disciple of Jesus where the other disciples failed.

Now, if, as I think, ''Matthew'' and ''Arimathea'' share partially the same meaning (''Ideal Disciple'') in both 'Joseph from Arimathea'' and ''the Gospel of Matthew'', and since Matthew is a Jewish-Christian (or proto-Catholic) Gospel, could the original narrative in Mark be hostile to Joseph from Arimathea ?

According to the Gnostics, who buries (or who sows) is always a wicked, an archontic person, or the same Demiurge.
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if a switch happened (= Basilidean/Islamic apocrypha) Joseph us one logical candidate. Makes more sense than Simon.
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8GGwgI2vGU[/youtube]

At minute 3'00'' the typical attack of SUPERIMPOSITION begins.
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It is strange that in the Gospel of Peter, Joseph asks the body of Jesus from Herod, and not from Pilate.

This is an act of sedition by Joseph against Pilate, since Pilate is more powerful than Herod in these matters.

What if Pilate punished Joseph for having taken the body against his will?

In that case, Pilate would have buried Joseph with the body of Jesus, fulfilling Isaiah 53:9!

And what about the clear apology in Matthew against Jewish voices that someone (the same disciples) had stolen the body?

And who if not the Best Disciple had stolen the body against the will of Pilate?

Suggestions, suggestions...
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Josephus - Wars of the Jews VII
One man will be obliged to hear the voice of his son implore help of his father, when his hands are bound.

Mark 15:34
Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli

Mark 15:36
Let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

Mark 15:45
He gave the body to Joseph.

Luke 3:23
Joseph is Eli (Ἰωσὴφ τοῦ Ἠλὶ) the Son of Matthias " barimathea

His father was Joseph.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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Ethan wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:16 pm Josephus - Wars of the Jews VII
One man will be obliged to hear the voice of his son implore help of his father, when his hands are bound.

Mark 15:34
Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli

Mark 15:36
Let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

Mark 15:45
He gave the body to Joseph.

Luke 3:23
Joseph is Eli (Ἰωσὴφ τοῦ Ἠλὶ) the Son of Matthias " barimathea

His father was Joseph.
Wonderful!
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Secret Alias wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:52 am if a switch happened (= Basilidean/Islamic apocrypha) Joseph us one logical candidate. Makes more sense than Simon.
Considering the allegorical nature of the text; the fleeing youth, Lazarus, Barabbas, Simon of Cyrene, and Joseph of Arimathea, all signify the same theological interpretation, perhaps from different traditions being edited together. One is carried away to die while the other is freed/resurrected. This is also where the 'Thomas', or Twin, allegory comes from. And who better to take the reigns from Christ than his brother, James, whom the Second Letter of Ignatius to St. John calls his twin brother. Is it any wonder why the brothers Zebedee are called Boanerges, after the twins Castor and Pollux?
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