Was the hanging of Judas a reflection of the original mythical crucifixion?

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Was the hanging of Judas a reflection of the original mythical crucifixion?

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“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, ' Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree...

(Gal 3:13)

In the Ascension of Isaiah, Jesus is hanged on a tree.

Traces of the "tree" are obviously also in Acts, and particularly when Peter is addressing the Jews.

The God of our ancestors raised up Jesus, whom you had murdered by hanging him on a tree

(Acts 5:30)

Fortunately, we know both the answer of the Jews against that accusation:

"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu (Jesus) was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf." But since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover!-- Ulla retorted, "Do you suppose that he one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a mesith [enticer], concerning whom Scripture says, Neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him? With Yeshu, however, it was different, for he was connected with royalty [or well-connected]."

https://www.google.it/amp/s/amp.reddit. ... sh_talmud/

The Talmudist said more than this: he said that Jesus was hanged in the total absence of witnesses! So accordingly he wasn't "one for whom a defense could be made". His death was not visible in this world. Jeschu's death was hidden, since it "was connected with royalty" (it was divine will).

The Christian counter-reaction was the following:

"You Jews are seriously mistaken. Who was hanged on the tree was Judas the betrayer of the our Jesus. And no people could witness his death, since Judas hanged himself".

So yes, in the Talmud there is a mythicist anti-Christian accusation.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Re: Was the hanging of Judas a reflection of the original mythical crucifixion?

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Sanhedrin 43a there is a tradition (in a Barraitha): They hanged Yeshu (a) on the Sabbath of the Passover. But for forty days before that a herald went in front of him (crying), “Yeshu (a) is to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and seduced Israel and lead them away from God. Anyone who can provide evidence on his behalf should come forward to defend him.” When, however, nothing favorable about him was found, he was hanged on the Sabbath of the Passover.
Ulla (an Amorim) commented: “Do you think that he belongs among those for whom redeeming evidence is sought? Rather, he was a seducer [of whom] the All-merciful has said: ‘Show them no pity… and do not shield them.’ (Deut 13.8b NRSV) In Yeshu (a)’s case, however, an exception was made because he was close to those who held [political/religious] authority

Also Judas was "close to those who held authority" (i.e. sinedrites) to plot against Jesus. But it is surprising that, in the Talmud, Jeschu (Judas?) is forgiven to do just that (to be allied someway with the sinedrites) whereas the Christian Judas is hanged because he is on the side of the sinedrites.

But the sinedrites euhemerized (per mythicism) the same Archontes of this Aeon. In both the sources, they are the ruin (directly or not) of who is hanged (Jeschu/Judas). In the Gospels they reject the money gained by Judas so moving him to suicide. In the Talmud the sinedrites hanged Yeschu.

So this is a possibility.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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