Why ''Luke'' makes Theudas precede Judas: an hypothesis

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Why ''Luke'' makes Theudas precede Judas: an hypothesis

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(I refer to Acts 5:33-37)

Because Theudas was precisely a Joshua redivivus (for the hoped miracle of the Jordan: a clear repetition of the similar miracle of the biblical Joshua).

So he had to come precisely at the presumed time of Jesus, and so he had to be before Judas (who didn't pose as Joshua redidivus).

In other terms, ''Luke'' was following a prophecy who placed the return of the biblical Joshua just in the same time of Judas the Galilean.
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Giuseppe wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:01 am (I refer to Acts 5:33-37)

Because Theudas was precisely a Joshua redivivus (for the hoped miracle of the Jordan: a clear repetition of the similar miracle of the biblical Joshua).
The Egyptian, too, was reenacting a miracle from the biblical Joshua: according to Josephus, he promised that the walls of Jerusalem would fall. Reenacting Joshua miracles may have been kind of a thing.
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The ''Egyptian'' (per the name) was reenacting more probably Moses, not Joshua.
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Giuseppe wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:30 am The ''Egyptian'' (per the name) was reenacting more probably Moses, not Joshua.
Come on. When did Moses knock city walls down?
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I know only an ''Egyptian'' from the OT, and he is Moses, not Joshua.

To capture Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives would be a davidic thing, so I don't see necessarily the reference to Joshua behind the Egyptian.
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Giuseppe wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:35 am I know only an ''Egyptian'' from the OT, and he is Moses, not Joshua.

To capture Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives would be a davidic thing, so I don't see necessarily the reference to Joshua behind the Egyptian.
He promised that the walls would fall down.
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And how can you explain the reference to Egypt in the his name? The more obvious explanation is that he was merging Moses and Joshua behind himself, then.
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Giuseppe wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:39 am And how can you explain the reference to Egypt in the his name?
He was from Egypt. (Not everything is a super secret symbol.)
The more obvious explanation is that he was merging Moses and Joshua behind himself, then.
I can live with that.
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It makes perfect sense for 'like Moses' to be Joshua because the Pentateuch seems to set things up for Joshua. It's not that controversial. A cosmic Joshua is another matter.
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The Egypt - and Alexandria - was synonymous of peace and tolerance and intellectual syncretism in that time. Not surely the place of provenance of a Rebel as the Egyptian.
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