Matt 10:35 mimics Mishna Sota 9:15 or vice versa

[MrMacSon]

Mishna Sota has a passage that refers to a Messiah, but is also apocalyptic in tone. Part of M. Sota 9:15 is -

• " .. children shall shame their elders, the son will dishonor the father, the daughter, the mother ..."

Matt. 10:35 reads

• "For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’ .."

[DCHindley]

Mishna Sota has a passage that refers to a Messiah, but is also apocalyptic in tone. Part of M. Sota 9:15 is -

• " .. children shall shame their elders, the son will dishonor the father, the daughter, the mother ..."

Matt. 10:35 reads

• "For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’ .."

The full passage from a couple translations:

Herbert Danby (1933) Mishna Sota

9:15 R. Eliezer the Great⁷ says: Since the day that the Temple was destroyed the Sages⁸ began to be like school-teachers, and the school-teachers like synagogue-servants, and the synagogue-servants like the people of the land; and the people of the land waxed feeble, and there was none to seek [compassion for them]. On whom can we stay ourselves? — on our Father
in heaven.

With the footprints of the Messiah⁹ presumption shall increase and dearth reach its height;¹⁰ the vine shall yield its fruit but the wine shall be costly; and the empire shall fall into heresy and there shall be none to utter reproof. The council-chamber shall be given to fornication. Galilee shall be laid waste and Gablan¹¹ shall be made desolate; and the people of the frontier¹² shall go about from city to city with none to show pity on them. The wisdom of the Scribes shall become insipid and they that shun sin shall be deemed contemptible, and truth shall nowhere be found. Children shall shame the elders, and the elders shall rise up before the children, for the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law: a man's enemies are the men of his own house.¹³ The face of this generation is as the face of a dog, and the son will not be put to shame by his father. On whom can we stay ourselves? — on our Father in heaven.

Notes:
7 Ben Hyrcanus [2nd gen. ca. 90 CE], usually referred to simply as R. Eliezer. The Cambridge text reads 'R. Joshua'.
8 The rest of the sentence is given in Arainaic.
9 The signs which herald the coming of the Messiah at the end of the time of exile.
10 This sentence is in Aramaic.
11 Perhaps the province Gabalena, south-east of Palestine. See Neub., p. 65f.
12 Or, 'the people of Gebul' (Ps. 83.3).
13 Mic. 7.6.

The Mishna to b. Sotah 49A-B is given by Neusner et al (1994-1999) as follows (this section of the Mishna does not have a Gemara commentary in either the Babylonian or Jerusalem Talmuds):

9.15 [49A] ... section
S. R. Eliezer the Great says, “From the day on which the Temple was destroyed, sages began to be like scribes, and scribes like ministers, and ministers like ordinary folk.
T. “And the ordinary folk [49B] have become feeble.
U. “And none seeks.
V. “Upon whom shall we depend? Upon our Father in heaven.”
W. With the footprints of the Messiah: presumption increases, and dearth increases.
X. The vine gives its fruit and wine at great cost.
Y. And the government turns to heresy.
Z. And there is no reproof.
AA. The gathering place will be for prostitution.
BB. And Galilee will be laid waste.
CC. And the Gablan will be made desolate.
DD. And the men of the frontier will go about from town to town, and none will take pity on them.
EE. And the wisdom of scribes will putrefy.
FF. And those who fear sin will be rejected.
GG. And the truth will be locked away.
HH. Children will shame elders, and elders will stand up before children.
II. “For the son dishonors the father and the daughter rises up against the mother, the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; a man’s enemies are the men of his own house” (Mic. 7: 6).
JJ. The face of the generation in the face of a dog.
KK. A son is not ashamed before his father.
LL. Upon whom shall we depend? Upon our Father in heaven.
MM. [The Bavli cites the following under the signal, Our rabbis have taught on Tannaite authority, while the Mishnah cites the same passage as part of its repertoire:] R. Pinhas b. Yair says, “Heedfulness leads to cleanliness, cleanliness leads to cleanness, cleanness leads to abstinence, abstinence leads to holiness, holiness leads to modesty, modesty leads to the fear of sin, the
fear of sin leads to piety, piety leads to the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit leads to the resurrection of the dead, and the resurrection of the dead comes through Elijah, blessed be his memory, Amen.”]

I don't think we have enough to determine whether influence flowed from Mishna to Gospel or vice versa, or simply shared a lament common to all times, that the new generation of people is not as diligent as "our" generation was. The proof text is from the minor prophet Micah, so everyone could know of it if they didn't snooze during Synagogue readings.

Wuff wuff.

DCH

[Secret Alias]

But it is interesting in one respect. At least a few Jewish observers have noted the parallel between those 'sectarians' who said that only the 10 commandments were from heaven (in rabbinic literature) and early Christianity. Honor your father and mother is one of the ten. It is also explicitly associated with a promise “Honor your father and mother that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.” Although Philo seems to interpret it as meaning the heavenly father and mother - https://books.google.com/books?id=Z7uaC ... 22&f=false Although it is hard to reconcile what Jesus said with Philo - "Now the most excellent five were of this character, they related to the monarchial principle on which the world is governed; to images and statues, and in short to all erections of any kind made by hand; to the duty of not taking the name of God in vain; to that of keeping the holy seventh day in a manner worthy of its holiness; to paying honour to parents both separately to each, and commonly to both. So that of the one table the beginning is the God and Father and Creator of the universe; and the end are one's parents, who imitate his nature, and so generate the particular individuals."