Where didn't Mark preserve the Secret motif ?
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Re: Where didn't Mark preserve the Secret motif ?
Giuseppe --
Do you read "Lord" as "Mar-Yah"?
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Do you read "Lord" as "Mar-Yah"?
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Re: Where didn't Mark preserve the Secret motif ?
No idea you are talking about.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Re: Where didn't Mark preserve the Secret motif ?
Thank you.
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Re: Where didn't Mark preserve the Secret motif ?
It is curious that none of the comments above identifies Mark 15:48-50 as another point of break of the Messianic Secret in (proto-)Mark by ''Mark'' (redactor):
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:24 am Neil does an interesting question:
https://vridar.org/2018/06/17/is-this-s ... ment-85729How would you go about determining that such passages in Mark were composed to counter Marcionism and not that Marcion came later and disagreed with such passages?
My answer may be not to his same his level:
So I have found another break of the Messianic Secret in proto-Mark by "Mark".Thank you for the optimal question, Neil.
My answer: Since Mark 15:48-50 breaks the Messianic Secret in proto-Mark, by having a Jesus who remembers to his enemies the fact that he was not an unknown person (i.e. unknown as a robber is by definition) but was someone *very well known* during the day. So it is an anti-marcionite interpolation.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
Re: Where didn't Mark preserve the Secret motif ?
Following the logic of the previous comment above, I wonder if even the Barabbas episode breaks someway the Messianic Secret. Afterall, it is an attempt to identify with more precision Jesus by contrasting him against anohter man (Jesus Barabbas) who surely is not him (since he is a brigand and the true Jesus can't be a brigand).
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Ops, I mean Mark 14:48-50. Follow the link above.Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:14 amIn my Bible these lines are missing. What are you talking about?
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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