Re: Why the young in the Empty Tomb had to be ''dressed in white''
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:49 am
Investigating the roots of western civilization (ye olde BC&H forum of IIDB lives on...)
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more precisely, Hippolytus is evidence that the enemies of Hippolytus interpreted a "tomb with the white inside" as allegory of spiritual life.Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:48 am Both in Hippolytus and in Matthew the tomb is a symbol of death. You are reading what is both (A) unlikely to be there in the first place and (B) not actually there at all anyway.
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:54 ammore precisely, Hippolytus is evidence that the enemies of Hippolytus interpreted a "tomb with the white inside" as allegory of spiritual life.Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:48 am Both in Hippolytus and in Matthew the tomb is a symbol of death. You are reading what is both (A) unlikely to be there in the first place and (B) not actually there at all anyway.
No, only according to you. The whole idea only exists in your head. A whitewashed tomb is simply a used one with some corpse inside. Unused tombs are not whitewashed.Giuseppe wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:02 amis, he says, is what has been declared, "Ye are whited sepulchres, full," he says, "of dead men's bones within," because there is not in you the living man
A) dead people inside----->"white" outside
B) "white" inside-----> dead people outside
Differently from Ben, I have not need of textual evidence of (B) when (B) is already the natural corollary of (A) - according to the enemies of Hippolytus, obviously.
It is highly doubtful if the use of white garments in baptism goes back to the new testament period. See for example Induere ChristumUlan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:48 amHe is a symbol of the new Christian. In order to be resurrected in the technical sense, he would have had to have died first. There is no indication of that. The meaning of the garments and their color on the other hand is clear and doesn't need your detours. The white garment was used in the baptism ceremony, which was symbolic death, yes. The rebirth in this sense had nothing to do with resurrection in the later sense.
Thanks Andrew. That still leaves all the other uses of white garments by heavenly figures, like in Daniel etc. Or of course in gMark itself, by Jesus during the transfiguration episode in Mark 9:3.andrewcriddle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:59 amIt is highly doubtful if the use of white garments in baptism goes back to the new testament period. See for example Induere ChristumUlan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:48 amHe is a symbol of the new Christian. In order to be resurrected in the technical sense, he would have had to have died first. There is no indication of that. The meaning of the garments and their color on the other hand is clear and doesn't need your detours. The white garment was used in the baptism ceremony, which was symbolic death, yes. The rebirth in this sense had nothing to do with resurrection in the later sense.
Andrew Criddle
note the Ben's omission of the my original words: