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Why Mark had to be called Mark
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:22 am
by Giuseppe
1 Peter 5:13-14 :
13 She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark. 14 Greet one another with a kiss of love.
Peace to all of you who are in Christ.
So Papias based probably his claim (that Mark was an assistant of Peter) simply on the epistle of 1 Peter that is a forgery.
Re: Why Mark had to be called Mark
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:39 am
by Joseph D. L.
Mark is named Mark, perhaps, because he is derived from Markianos/Mahalia.
Justin Martyr also purports the Mark, secretary of Peter tradition. Who came before whom?
Re: Why Mark had to be called Mark
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:14 pm
by DCHindley
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:22 am
1 Peter 5:13-14 :
13 She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark. 14 Greet one another with a kiss of love.
Peace to all of you who are in Christ.
So Papias based probably his claim (that Mark was an assistant of Peter) simply on the epistle of 1 Peter that is a forgery.
Joseph DL responded
Mark is named Mark, perhaps, because he is ...
The real reason, and the one that resonates with eternal truth, is that the name "Mark" would in time provide Stephan Hüller with endless inspiration for his academic obsessions (all said in a good way, mind you). It was fated to happen. I guess this makes God "good" after all ...
DCH
Re: Why Mark had to be called Mark
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:21 pm
by MrMacSon
Mark my words ...
Re: Why Mark had to be called Mark
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:36 pm
by Secret Alias
My best friend growing up was named Mark and we really called him Marky. I swear to God. He ended up leaving my street and going away to live in some remote part of Ontario. Then one day the doorbell rings at my parents house where I was residing (I must have been 20 or so). In walks Marky but he has no legs! He just wanted to say hi. He was lying in the snow and his dad decided to rev up the snowblower. True story.
Re: Why Mark had to be called Mark
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:39 pm
by Secret Alias
I had a lot of friends like that. This other guy named Troy went out with his dad in the car while his dad was loaded at was permanently paralyzed. I think that happened when I was 10 or something.
Re: Why Mark had to be called Mark
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:46 am
by toejam
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:22 am
1 Peter 5:13-14 :
13 She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark. 14 Greet one another with a kiss of love.
Peace to all of you who are in Christ.
So Papias based probably his claim (that Mark was an assistant of Peter) simply on the epistle of 1 Peter that is a forgery.
I see it just as likely that 1 Peter was aware of the Papias tradition (either directly from Papias or from a shared source) and used this in as an attempted deceptive verisimilitude to give his epistle the appearance of authenticity.
Re: Why Mark had to be called Mark
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:37 am
by Giuseppe
toejam wrote: ↑Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:46 am
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:22 am
1 Peter 5:13-14 :
13 She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark. 14 Greet one another with a kiss of love.
Peace to all of you who are in Christ.
So Papias based probably his claim (that Mark was an assistant of Peter) simply on the epistle of 1 Peter that is a forgery.
I see it just as likely that 1 Peter was aware of the Papias tradition (either directly from Papias or from a shared source) and used this in as an attempted deceptive verisimilitude to give his epistle the appearance of authenticity.
so you have the problem of the surprising Silence, in 1 Peter, about the Gospel Jesus of the Gospel of Mark.
My hypothesis doesn't suffer about that problem.
Re: Why Mark had to be called Mark
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:20 am
by arnoldo
There is also a possibility his name was John Mark according to the following source.
Barnabas, Jew and Levite, was one of the very first Christians. He is called an Apostle in Acts 14:14, and was most probably one of the 70 disciples of Jesus (Luke 10:1). Barnabas was a wealthy man of the early church noted for his generosity, as well as for his ability to be an encourager. His name means “Son of Encouragement” in Greek. He was charged with providing leadership and training in the church of Antioch, shortly after its founding. Because of this, he went and brought in his fellow Jew, Paul to help him in training new disciples. He is also a relative of John Mark’s, as noted in Colossians 4:10, where he is identified as an Uncle or perhaps Cousin. Tradition concerning Mark suggests that Barnabas was Mark’s father’s brother. He was a close associate of Paul’s for several years, and even introduced him to the church and apostles at Jerusalem, when the Christians were suspicious of Paul. After a dispute with Paul over John Mark, Barnabas went to Cyprus to continue his ministry, taking Mark with him.
http://www.earlyafricanchristianity.com ... -mark.html
Allegedly, there is a African tradition that Peter was married to a relative of
John Mark.
Re: Why Mark had to be called Mark
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:22 pm
by toejam
so you have the problem of the surprising Silence, in 1 Peter, about the Gospel Jesus of the Gospel of Mark.
My hypothesis doesn't suffer about that problem.
What "silence"? "Gospel Jesus" is all through 1 Peter. Numerous references are made to Jesus' suffering and abuse, his having led a sinless life, his death on a cross "in the flesh", his resurrection. The author of 1 Peter also presents Jesus as having been the fulfillment of the "stone laid in Zion" (i.e. Jerusalem) prophecy of Isaiah.