Stuart wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:17 pm
This is incorrect. While I agree in exegesis the Marcionites did not associate Jesus with the Daniel's "son of man", there is no question that the phrase was present in multiple places in the Marcionite Gospel:
From Epiphanius:
'But that ye may know that the Son of Man hath power to forgive sins upon earth.'
<β> «Ἵνα δὲ εἰδῆτε ὅτι ἐξουσίαν ἔχει ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἀφιέναι ἁμαρτίας ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς»
42.11.6.2 Luke 5:24
The Son of Man is lord also of the Sabbath.'
<γ> «Κύριός ἐστιν ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου καὶ τοῦ σαββάτου»
42.11.6.3 Luke 6:5
<ιϚ> «Λέγων, δεῖ τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου πολλὰ παθεῖν καὶ ἀποκτανθῆναι καὶ μετὰ τρεῖς ἡμέρας ἐγερθῆναι»
'Saying, The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be slain, and be raised after three days.'
42.11.6.16 Luke 9:22. Cf. Tert. Adv. Marc. 4.21.7.
'For the Son of Man shall be delivered into the hands of men.'
<κ> «Ὁ γὰρ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου μέλλει παραδίδοσθαι εἰς χεῖρας ἀνθρώπων»
42.11.6.20 Luke 9:44
'The days will come when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man.'
<μθ> «Ἐλεύσονται ἡμέραι, ὅταν ἐπιθυμήσητε ἰδεῖν μίαν τῶν ἡμερῶν τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου».
42.11.6.49 Luke 17:22
'The men in shining garments said, Why seek ye the living among the dead? He is risen; remember all that he spake when he was yet with you, that the Son of Man must suffer and be delivered.'
<οϚ> «Εἶπαν οἱ ἐν ἐσθῆτι λαμπρᾷ· τί ζητεῖτε τὸν ζῶντα μετὰ τῶν νεκρῶν; ἠγέρθη, μνήσθητε ὅσα ἐλάλησεν ἔτι ὢν μεθ' ὑμῶν, ὅτι δεῖ τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου παθεῖν καὶ παραδοθῆναι».
42.11.6.76 Luke 24:5-7. Cf. Tert. Adv. Marc. 4.43.5.
Tertullian quoting from Marcion's text
"Blessed shall ye be, when men shall hate you, and shall reproach you, and shall cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake."
AM 4.14.14 Luke 6:22
"the Son of man must suffer many things,
and be rejected of the elders, and scribes, and priests, and be slain, and be raised again the third day."
AM 4.21.7 Luke 9:22 (Note: I am suspicious of the underlined phrase, missing in Epiphanius, as "elders" never occurs elsewhere in Marcion)
"Whosoever shall speak against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him."
AM 4.28.6 Luke 12.10
He warns us "to be ready," for this reason, because "we know not the hour when the Son of man shall come"
AM 4.29.7 Luke 11.40 (this quote is not fully secure, as it is out of sequential order)
"the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected," before His coming,
AM 4.35.14 Luke 17:25
"For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost,"
AM 4.37.2 Luke 19:10
"And then shall they see the Son of man coming from the heavens with very great power. And when these things shall come to pass, ye shall look up, and raise your heads; for your redemption hath come near,"
AM 4.39.10 Luke 21:27-28 (This one is problematic, I'm not completely convinced it's from the Marcionite text)
"Woe," says He, "to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed!"
AM 4.41.1 Luke 22:22
"Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God."
AM 4.41.4 Luke 22:69
"Remember how He spake unto you when He was yet in Galilee, saying, The Son of man must be delivered up, and be crucified, and on the third day rise again."
AM 4.43.5 Luke 24:6, 7
Tertullian calls out Marcion, based on his own (Tertullian's) reading that the son of man requires he be born of woman in flesh and blood, in AM 4.10.8 saying
On what principle you, Marcion, can admit Him Son of man, I cannot possibly see. If through a human father, then you deny him to be Son of God; if through a divine one also,(Si et Dei) then you make Christ the Hercules of fable; if through a human mother only, then you concede my point; if not through a human father also,(Si neque patris) then He is not the son of any man, and He must have been guilty of a lie for having declared Himself to be what He was not.
Tertullian spends much of AM 4 complaining about the use of the appellation "Son of man," and the Marcionite claim that it occurs by accident, (Ex accidenti obvenit), which should be proof enough the term exists in the Marcionite.
The evidence for the term being present throughout the Gospel, even if a few of the quotes by Tertullian or Epiphanius might be from a Catholic text rather than Marcionite, is pretty overwhelming.