Evidence for a Resurrectionless Christianity Developed from the Short Ending of Mark

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Re: Evidence for a Resurrectionless Christianity Developed from the Short Ending of Mark

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Secret Alias wrote: Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:52 am Peter please move this nonsense
yes, it would be better. No blind is worse than who wants to be blind.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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I'm blind to your vastly superior understanding of the Yazidi religion? How many minutes did you study Yazidi culture? Then when you factor in your inherently discordant intellect what ever that number of minutes was it certainly wasn't enough.
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'It is because I want it to be' Giuseppe's maxim and modus operandi at the forum. There is no evidence of a successful religion in history developed principally as an un-Judaism, and anti-Judaism or anything like that. You're nuts.
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Re: Evidence for a Resurrectionless Christianity Developed from the Short Ending of Mark

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Secret Alias wrote: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:02 am 'It is because I want it to be' Giuseppe's maxim and modus operandi at the forum. There is no evidence of a successful religion in history developed principally as an un-Judaism, and anti-Judaism or anything like that. You're nuts.
There is evidence that the repented Lucifer of the Yazidis is too much similar to this repented deity:

And Zoe (Life), the daughter of Pistis Sophia, cried out and said to him, "You are mistaken, Sakla!" – for which the alternative name is Yaltabaoth. She breathed into his face, and her breath became a fiery angel for her; and that angel bound Yaldabaoth and cast him down into Tartaros below the abyss.

Now when his offspring Sabaoth saw the force of that angel, he repented and condemned his father and his mother, matter. He loathed her, but he sang songs of praise up to Sophia and her daughter Zoe. And Sophia and Zoe caught him up and gave him charge of the seventh heaven, below the veil between above and below. And he is called 'God of the forces, Sabaoth', since he is up above the forces of chaos, for Sophia established him

http://gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html

So this tract is evidence of a negative view of the creator of the world.

And in the Bible there is written that YHWH made earth and heaven.

Please do 2 + 2 and no apologies.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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But where IS THE EVIDENCE for your assertion? I know like you making unsubstantiated assertions. But this is a new level of bullshit. You haven't produced a single shred of evidence for it. New low.
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Re: Evidence for a Resurrectionless Christianity Developed from the Short Ending of Mark

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Secret Alias wrote: Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:37 am The gospel of Mark originally ended with an empty tomb and no resurrection of the crucified one.......
The author of the fable in short gMark does clearly state that the crucified Jesus resurrected at precisely Mark 16.6.

http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manus ... omSlider=0

In fact, in the short gMark story Jesus taught his disciples multiple times that he would be killed and rise after three days.


Mark 8:31
And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, and the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Mark 9:31
For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered up into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and when he is killed, after three days he shall rise again.
Mark 10:33-34
.......Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests and the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him unto the Gentiles: 34 and they shall mock him, and shall spit upon him, and shall scourge him, and shall kill him; and after three days he shall rise again.
The short gMark does not at all support a resurrectionless Jesus.

Mark 16.6
.... ye seek Jesus, the Nazarene, who hath been crucified: he is risen; he is not here....
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But Irenaeus clearly tells us this wasn't always so
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Re: Evidence for a Resurrectionless Christianity Developed from the Short Ending of Mark

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Secret Alias wrote: Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:44 pm But where IS THE EVIDENCE for your assertion? I know like you making unsubstantiated assertions. But this is a new level of bullshit. You haven't produced a single shred of evidence for it. New low.
Evidently for you the creator named Yaldabaoth is a holy, good and just deity full of love for the mankind, amen and so on.

I'm sorry but I can't follow you in this your explicit negation of pure evidence. Period.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Citing Irenaeus for information about non-Catholic denominations is like citing Mein Ksmpf for information about German Jews. His emphasis, his angle is certainly not their essence, angle. We need actual evidence not hyperbole and exaggeration
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Re: Evidence for a Resurrectionless Christianity Developed from the Short Ending of Mark

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And besides Christianity is the original form. These ideas from later developments. That Christianity started as a Jewish sect no one doubts. That along the way anti-Semitism grew no one doubts either but this hatred was directed at the Jewish people not their god. Eventually this marginal literature also developed. But you act like the feces created the beast rather than the other way around
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
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