Does John the Baptist work as "one of elders" of Rev 5 in Mark?

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Giuseppe
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Does John the Baptist work as "one of elders" of Rev 5 in Mark?

Post by Giuseppe » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:51 am


5 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.

(Revelation 5)

Note the sequence of actions:

1) a lot of people is going to be baptized by John

2) John predicts the coming Christ

3) Jesus Nazarene comes to be baptized

4) the baptism is death and re-birth

5) A Voice from heaven proclaims him the Beloved Son.

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A similar sequence is found in Rev 5

1) a lot of people is going to open the Book, vainly

2) "one of elders" predicts that the Lamb can do it.

3) the Lamb does it.

4) he looks "as if it had been slain"

5) a lot of celestial canticles proclaims him the Beloved Son.

Thoughts?
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: Does John the Baptist work as "one of elders" of Rev 5 in Mark?

Post by Giuseppe » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:54 am

The sense would be that Jesus is the only, among the baptized people by John, who is really BAPTIZED, entirely purified from any sin, totally innocent and so totally worthy of being adopted/posseded by Christ.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: Does John the Baptist work as "one of elders" of Rev 5 in Mark?

Post by Charles Wilson » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:34 am

Giuseppe --

You know that we're in different Universes here and that's OK. To me, my Assignments of Symbolism give the Lead Assignment to Alexander Jannaeus (King) and the Sixteenth Mishmarot Group (from 1 Chronicles 24) to "Immer" - the Lamb ("Immar") - as the subject of the Revelation 5 Section.

So what do your Assignments tell you about:

"Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne..."

The meaning is obvious in terms of Immer being murdered in the Temple area in 4 BCE. The Mishmarot Group was murdered and yet still survives.

What does "...as if it had been slain, standing..." mean to you?

CW

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Re: Does John the Baptist work as "one of elders" of Rev 5 in Mark?

Post by Giuseppe » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:37 am

Charles Wilson wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:34 am

What does "...as if it had been slain, standing..." mean to you?
a celestial figure died in heaven before the creation of the world and before the writing of the Book of Life.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: Does John the Baptist work as "one of elders" of Rev 5 in Mark?

Post by Charles Wilson » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:43 pm

Thank you.

CW

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