The Parable of Sower and the dismembering of the Primal Man before the creation of the world

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Re: The Parable of Sower and the dismembering of the Primal Man before the creation of the world

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So the apologist Orosius reports the Gnostic interpretation of the Parable of Sower:

In it [the heretic work Memoria apostolorum] the Savior is seen to be secretly questioned by the disciples and showing from the Gospel parable which begins “The sower went out to sow” that the sower was not good. It claims that, if he had been good, he would not have been negligent, scattering his seed neither beside the path, nor in stony soil, nor on uncultivated ground. It wants this sower to be understood as the one who scatters captured souls in various bodies as he wishes.

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Here it is seen again and again how ''Mark'' (author) is working as a judaizing writer:

1) he is judaizing the Gnostic Parable of Sower, by identifying the Sower not with the demiurge but with the supreme god.
2) as collateral effect of this judaization of the Parable, the victims of the Parable become the Jews, condemned to not hear and to not see, ''so that they can be not forgiven'' (4:12), whereas in the original Gnostic interpretation, the victims were the souls “captured in various bodies”. These souls are the fragments, the disiepta membra, of the cosmic Primal Man, used by the Archons to create the human race and to give life to the creation. This explains why the death of the Lamb causes the writing of the Names of the Chosen People in the Book of Life (Rev 13:8), this writing itself being made before the creation of the world.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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For the author of Revelation, the writing of the Names in the Book of Life was a positive act by the supreme god, YHWH.

But for the Gnostics, that same act, happened before the creation of this world, was a negative immoral act, done by the evil demiurge (the god of the Jews): by writing their names in that Book of Life, the demiurge was really chaining the souls of the True Gnostics in the material bodies (their prisons).
The more chained among all, were the Jews, as adorers of the evil demiurge: so there is at least a sense by which the Jews
may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’ ”.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Re: The Parable of Sower and the dismembering of the Primal Man before the creation of the world

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The parable of the sower and the story of Jesus is just another form of the story about divinity sacrificing/dividing/splitting itself to give "life" or "spirit" to matter. This is why Jesus divides up bread that is his body and feeds his disciples. You find this same concept in the myths of Dionysus, Osiris, the Egyptian creator god dividing or multiplying itself, Prometheus, etc. The secretions out of the wound of Osiris gave life and salvation to his followers. His death and resurrection was associated with the sowing(death, dismemberment, spirit/divinity entering matter) and sprouting(resurrection, birthing/forming of Christ within as Paul says) of the seed. The followers of Dionysus would eat food and drink wine that represented the body and blood of Dionysus. Whoever does the killing or dividing of the god is usually associated with matter or the physical realm like the demiurge, the titans, Set, those who killed Jesus, etc.
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nightshadetwine wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:05 am The parable of the sower and the story of Jesus is just another form of the story about divinity sacrificing/dividing/splitting itself to give "life" or "spirit" to matter. This is why Jesus divides up bread that is his body and feeds his disciples. You find this same concept in the myths of Dionysus, Osiris, the Egyptian creator god dividing or multiplying itself, Prometheus, etc.
I have mentioned in a previous post of this thread precisely what you have just said.

My point is that this hellenistic myth entered in the growing Christianity via the Gnostics, i.e. gentiles in the margins of judaism and/or "not longer Jews" who hated the god of the Jews, by calling him "the demiurge", and by adoring the celestial "Son of Father" (the "Father" being the supreme god as distinct from the creator). The Christianity was born when some Jews (the so-called "Pillars"), against these Gnostics, started to call this "Son of Father" as "Joshua" ("YHWH-saves") and "Christ", to remark, against the Gnostics, the essential goodness of who had to be velim nolim the supreme god: the god of the Jews.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Evidence of the giving of the new name for the gnostic "Son of Father" to christianize/judaize it is not only the Hymn to Philippians, but also the Barabbas episode: while Mark raises the conflict:

"Son of Father" ("Barabbas") versus Jesus called Christ

...the even more judaizing Matthew (in comparison to the judaizing Mark) raises the same conflict as:

"Jesus Son of Father" ("Jesus Barabbas") versus Jesus called Christ

So the fact that the same figure ("Bar-abbas") considered rival with the Christian Jesus was himself named later "Jesus" by Matthew, confirms that the original "Son of Father" was not even named "YHWH-saves": he couldn't be named so, since the mentioned "Father" was not YHWH, but a higher deity, distinct from the creator.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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The theme of the evil demiurge who imprisons the souls in the material body is implicitly contrasted by ''Mark'' (judaizer) in the following episode (that find his raison d'etre uniquely in this anti-Gnostic polemic):

Mark 7:
Then Jesus left the vicinity of Tyre and went through Sidon, down to the Sea of Galilee and into the region of the Decapolis.[h] 32 There some people brought to him a man who was deaf and could hardly talk, and they begged Jesus to place his hand on him.
33 After he took him aside, away from the crowd, Jesus put his fingers into the man’s ears. Then he spit and touched the man’s tongue. 34 He looked up to heaven and with a deep sigh said to him, “Ephphatha!” (which means “Be opened!”). 35 At this, the man’s ears were opened, his tongue was loosened and he began to speak plainly.
36 Jesus commanded them not to tell anyone. But the more he did so, the more they kept talking about it. 37 People were overwhelmed with amazement. “He has done everything well,” they said. “He even makes the deaf hear and the mute speak.”



Jesus the son of YHWH says “Be opened!”, whereas the demiurge, according to the Gnostics, commanded that the souls of the True Gnostics were imprisoned, locked, in the evil matter.

Note also the typical actions of the demiurge applied to Jesus: “he spit and touched the man’s tongue”. These are the same actions of the demiurge at the Creation, as even William Blake realized:

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Since the place of higher density of the Gnostic apostles was Alexandria, there is no wonder that just there ''Mark'' (judaizer) wrote. He didn't think that even more judaizing authors would have continued the his work of judaization/christianization of the gnostic “Son of Father” (not named “Jesus” nor “Christ”), by editing the his Gospel.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Re: The Parable of Sower and the dismembering of the Primal Man before the creation of the world

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Mark 4:3 :
ἐξῆλθεν ὁ σπείρων τοῦ σπεῖραι

The act of scattering seeds is equivalent not only to dismember, but also to make empty a hand that was full in first place. THe concept of Pleroma (divine Fulness) is in view implicitly, here. This remembers the hymn to Philippians, where who “emptied himself” is Jesus son of YHWH, just as in the Parable of Sower who is emptying the his hand (by the act itself of sowing) is the Sower.

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But for the original Gnostic interpretation of the Parable, the Sower is the evil Demiurge, since he is emptying/destroying the original Fulness and Integrity of the cosmic Son of Father, when the Son descended in the archontic territory.

This to say that the author of the Hymn to Philippians was a real Judaizer, insofar he replaced the original author of the action of emptying (i.e., the evil Demiurge) with another deity: the Son himself of the Creator, now identified with the supreme god.

This remembers the excuse given usually by bastard jailers when a prisoner in the prison is beaten and killed by the jailers themselves: “he died suicide. We were not the ones who killed him.” :cheers:
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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