Three Jesuses in Paul

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Three Jesuses in Paul

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Thanks to Neil, I have the article.

So, for Alfaric, there are three Jesuses in the actual epistles of Paul:


1) the genuine Jesus of Paul: the ideal Just suffering

I note, on this subject, that the his conversion took place at Damascus, from whence he went to Arabia, where he afterwards "returned" (Gai, I. 17). However, it was in this city where was retired the leader of this New Covenant community, whose Rule was discovered among the manuscripts of the cave of Ain Feshka, and that had many affinities with that left to glimpse the authentic texts of Paul. Like the members of this Order, of which Pliny the Elder reports a monastery in the vicinity of the Dead Sea, at Engaddi, and of which Josephus has described the ascetic and often itinerant life, the Apostole Paul practices and preaches the renunciation of riches, honors , pleasures, marriage. For him, as for his coreligionists, Jesus personifies not the national Messiah nor the Prophet of the last days, but the ideal Just who turns away from material goods to live in spirit with God and who, for this reason, is despised, hunted down, condemned, put to death.

(my free translation, my bold).

2) the Gnostic Jesus: the Son of God descending, dying and rising.

3) the proto-catholic Jesus: the Jesus of which above is also the Jewish Christ.

Besides, there are two differences among Paul and the Pillars.

1) the first difference: the problems about the Torah.

2) the second difference: for Paul, Jesus was the Just crucified as living, while for the Pillars Jesus was:

...a ritual victim, like a Lamb of God, sacrificed according to the rules imposed by the Mosaic Code to the priests.


That means that the victim was crucified only after the death, as per Deuteronomy 21:22.

Paul introduced the crucifixion of a living Jesus, since the way of death (worthy of a slave) had to be entirely a deliberate choice by a living Jesus, in full conformity with the his deliberate emptying himself.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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For Alfaric, the early Christianity was born in the world of essenism. This may explain the emphasis on the ideal Just, the his sufferings, the his obedience, the late ebionite claim about anyone being able to become a Christ (by giving up the richness and observing fully the Torah, i.e. by becoming "Just"), the name of "the Poors" for the community of Jerusalem, the anti-Roman hostility, the John the Baptist made precursor of Jesus (remember that, per Greg Doudna, John the Baptist was the distorted memory of Hyrcanus II, the same Teacher of Justice), the original "communism" according to Acts, the early Church as a community of "Saints", the same poverty of Jesus:

Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you [IMPLICIT: who are poor] through his poverty might become rich.


Philo (Quod omnis probus liber, 75) says that essaioi derives from aramaic "hasya", meaning the "Saints".

So, if Jesus was "Son of Man", it was in virtue of the his becoming poor, "though he was rich". This is essenism, not apology for justifying the identity of Jesus with a poor guy crucified by Pilate.


In nuce, the essenism of the early Christians explains the same success of the religion.

So Pliny:
Day after day, however, their numbers are fully recruited by multitudes of strangers that resort to them, driven thither to adopt their usages by the tempests of fortune, and wearied with the miseries of life. Thus it is, that through thousands of ages, incredible to relate, this people eternally prolongs its existence, without a single birth taking place there; so fruitful a source of population to it is that weariness of life which is felt by others.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... ht=essenes
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Re: Three Jesuses in Paul

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Giuseppe wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:03 am
So, for Alfaric, there are three Jesuses in the actual epistles of Paul:
  1. the genuine Jesus of Paul: the ideal Just suffering
  2. the Gnostic Jesus: the Son of God descending, dying and rising.
  3. the proto-catholic Jesus: the Jesus of which above is also the Jewish Christ.
And (3), the 'proto-[orthodox] Jesus' [in Paul], could well be the result of later redaction.
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