Help Mark 9:29?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:39 pm
Does anyone get the quote from Clement Of Alexandria on Mark 9:29?
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Andrew CriddleThe Saviour showed to the believing apostles prayer to be stronger than faith in the case of a demoniac, whom they could not cleanse, when He said, Such things are accomplished by prayer. He who has believed has obtained forgiveness of sins from the Lord; but he who has attained knowledge, inasmuch as he no longer sins, obtains from himself the forgiveness of the rest.
you believe that you are making a direct reference or an allusion? to this paragraph, and 27 and 28 have excluded from the critical apparatus the quotatioandrewcriddle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:27 am Prophetic Eclogues 15Andrew CriddleThe Saviour showed to the believing apostles prayer to be stronger than faith in the case of a demoniac, whom they could not cleanse, when He said, Such things are accomplished by prayer. He who has believed has obtained forgiveness of sins from the Lord; but he who has attained knowledge, inasmuch as he no longer sins, obtains from himself the forgiveness of the rest.
It is clearly an allusion not a direct reference see Text of Gospels in Clement 1Rafael silva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:56 amyou believe that you are making a direct reference or an allusion? to this paragraph, and 27 and 28 have excluded from the critical apparatus the quotatioandrewcriddle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:27 am Prophetic Eclogues 15Andrew CriddleThe Saviour showed to the believing apostles prayer to be stronger than faith in the case of a demoniac, whom they could not cleanse, when He said, Such things are accomplished by prayer. He who has believed has obtained forgiveness of sins from the Lord; but he who has attained knowledge, inasmuch as he no longer sins, obtains from himself the forgiveness of the rest.
Clement is almost certainly referring to Mark. The only real parallel Matthew 17:21 appears to be a later addition (from Mark) to the text of Matthew and was probably not in Clement's copy of Matthew.Rafael silva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:02 am s Clement referring to Mark? Nestle aland 27 and 28 and Ubs 4 and 5 excluded from the critical apparatus
From what I was reading the text you send me it seems that it has nothing to do with mark 9:29andrewcriddle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:23 amIt is clearly an allusion not a direct reference see Text of Gospels in Clement 1Rafael silva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:56 amyou believe that you are making a direct reference or an allusion? to this paragraph, and 27 and 28 have excluded from the critical apparatus the quotatioandrewcriddle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:27 am Prophetic Eclogues 15Andrew CriddleThe Saviour showed to the believing apostles prayer to be stronger than faith in the case of a demoniac, whom they could not cleanse, when He said, Such things are accomplished by prayer. He who has believed has obtained forgiveness of sins from the Lord; but he who has attained knowledge, inasmuch as he no longer sins, obtains from himself the forgiveness of the rest.
Text of Gospels in Clement 2
Andrew Criddle
In the critical apparatus of Nestle Aland / UBS they exclude Clement's testimony against the expression '' Fasting ''andrewcriddle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:39 amClement is almost certainly referring to Mark. The only real parallel Matthew 17:21 appears to be a later addition (from Mark) to the text of Matthew and was probably not in Clement's copy of Matthew.Rafael silva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:02 am s Clement referring to Mark? Nestle aland 27 and 28 and Ubs 4 and 5 excluded from the critical apparatus
Andrew Criddle