The crucifixion of universal Israel in Ezekiel 37:15-20

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The crucifixion of universal Israel in Ezekiel 37:15-20

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15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, ‘Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, ‘Belonging to Joseph (that is, to Ephraim) and all the Israelites associated with him.’ 17 Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand.
18 “When your people ask you, ‘Won’t you tell us what you mean by this?’ 19 say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph—which is in Ephraim’s hand—and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah’s stick. I will make them into a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.’ 20 Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on 21 and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land.

So the cross is the symbol of the unity of Jews and Gentiles in a new (universal) body, that of the "Son of Man".
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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You find a similar motif in Egyptian religion. The joining of the two kingdoms of Horus and Set.

Ezekiel 37:
One Nation with One King

When the sticks on which you write are in your hand and in full view of the people, 21you are to tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘I will take the Israelites out of the nations to which they have gone, and I will gather them from all around and bring them into their own land. 22I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel, and one king will rule over all of them. Then they will no longer be two nations and will never again be divided into two kingdoms.

My servant David will be king over them, and there will be one shepherd for all of them. They will follow My ordinances and keep and observe My statutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabaka_Stone#Content
The text includes two main divisions with a short introduction and an ending summary. The first division relates the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt. Ptah works through Horus to accomplish this unification. The other is a creation story, the Memphite Theology,
that establishes Ptah as the creator of all things, including gods....Lines 3 to 47 describe the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt
under the god Horus at Memphis.[12] The text first declares the political and theological supremacy of the Memphite god Ptah, the king
of both Upper and Lower Egypt, and the creator of the Ennead.[14] The inscription then describes how Horus, as a manifestation of Ptah,
initially rules Lower Egypt while his rival Set rules Upper Egypt.[15] However, Horus receives Upper Egypt from Geb, becoming the sole
ruler of the land.
http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/uniting.html
The gods Set and Horus are shown tying the papyrus and lotus around the sema-sign, which means they are uniting the two lands, Upper and
Lower Egypt.
Image

This same stone that contains the story of the uniting of the two kingdoms of Egypt also has the oldest version of the Logos doctrine, or creation through speech/the word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabaka_Stone#Content
Lines 48 to 64 recount the creation myth known as the Memphite Theology.[12] Ptah, the patron god of craftsmen, metalworkers, artisans, and architects was viewed as a creator-god, a divine craftsman of the universe who was responsible for all existence.[16] Creation was first a spiritual and intellectual activity, facilitated by the divine heart (thought) and tongue (speech/word) of Ptah.[17] Then, creation became a physical activity carried out by Atum, who, created by Ptah's teeth and lips, produced the Ennead from his seed and hands.
The Shabaka Stone: An Introduction Joshua J. Bodine
It did not take scholars long to recognize that in the ideas of the Memphite
Theology there was an approach similar to the Greek notion of logos.82 The so called “Logos” doctrine is that in which the world is formed through a god’s creative thought and speech—Logos meaning, literally, “Word.” The parallels with the creation account in the book of Genesis in the Hebrew Bible, or with the opening chapter of the Gospel of John in the Christian New Testament, are obvious, as with other ancient texts and philosophies...
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nightshadetwine wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:31 pm You find a similar motif in Egyptian religion. The joining of the two kingdoms of Horus and Set.
The two kingdoms may be also the night and the day. They have the same length during the vernal equinox, where some Mythicists à la Acharya (with all the doubts of the case) identified the crucifixion in the heavens.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Giuseppe wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:25 am The two kingdoms may be also the night and the day. They have the same length during the vernal equinox, where some Mythicists à la Acharya (with all the doubts of the case) identified the crucifixion in the heavens.
I think it's possible that Jesus' death and resurrection has something to do with astrological phenomena. Specifically the moon. It's interesting that Jesus' death and resurrection took place around the time of the full moon(Passover). We know that Osiris' death and resurrection was associated with the full moon. The Apis Bull was an incarnation of Osiris. The Bull is associated with the moon. The Apis Bull was said to be born to a virgin cow impregnated by the moonlight. Jesus was born to the virgin Mary. That's a lot of parallels for me to just dismiss as coincidence.

On the Primeval Ocean by Mark J. Smith
The full moon is connected with the body of Osiris, which was dismembered into fourteen parts by Seth and subsequently made whole again. Osiris may be said to enter the sound eye in two distinct but related senses. According to the Egyptian vien, on each of the fourteen successive days during the period of the moon's waxing, a different divinity was thought to merge with that celestial body and restore one of it's missing parts. These divinities constitute the Greater and Lesser Enneads which are said to have been created and equipped by Isis for the benefit of the sound eye in the passing from P. BM 10208 cited three paragraphs above. The parts or components which they supply are called dbh.w, a term used indifferently of the constituent elements of the moon and those of the body of Osiris. The work of these deities is completed by Thoth on the fifteenth day of the lunar month. At this time, restored to a state of wholeness through their actions, Osiris may be said to enter the sound eye

In astronomical terms, full moon day is when the sun and the moon are in opposition. The Egyptians referred to this as the 'union of the two bulls'. They believed that, on the day in question, the rays of the two celestial bodies mingled together. More specifically, the greater light of the sun
was thought to enter and illuminate the moon. Thus, texts speak of the latter as receiving the former or being supplied with it's rays. The moon is
said to be illuminated by the sun, or the rays of the latter to pervade the former.

This belief is given visual expression in Egyptian paintings and reliefs which show the disk of the full moon with the right, or solar eye, representing the sun's light, inside it. In the Later Period, Osiris was frequently identified with the sun as well as with the moon. There is a marked emphasis upon this solar aspect in the texts and representations concerned with his entry into the sound eye when the moon is full. It is a solar deity, therefore, as
well as in his capacity as a resurrected god, that Osiris can be said to enter the eye on the fifteenth day of the lunar month.
The Dendera zodiacs as narratives of the myth of Osiris, Isis, and the child Horus by Gyula Priskin
In the Graeco-Roman lists of lunar day names the fourth day was also called “the
going forth of the sem-priest”, no doubt reflecting the fact that the invisibility of the moon
could sometimes last for three days
(i.e. the new crescent appears on the evening of the third
day)...

...the two most important
passages relating to the timeline of the lunar month are the description of the eye of Tebi
about the maximum length of the period (three days) during which the moon cannot be
seen
...
Heraclitus of Ephesus, Commentary on Odyssey XX, Oxyrhynchus Papyrus 3710 col. iii, 7-11
When the moon first appears on the third day, it becomes
visible as full moon on the sixteenth. It wanes the remaining time
(of the month) during 13 days.
Jonathan Ben-Dov, Head of All Years: Astronomy and Calendars at Qumran in Their Ancient Context
Numerous reports trace the day on which the moon disappears (UD.NA.A, um bubbuli). According to SAA VII 346,
the moon ideally vanishes on day 27 and remains covered for a maximum period of three days.
Ancient Egyptian Coffin Texts, tran. Faulkner
Spell 6
How great is the monthly festival of the height of heaven, even the festival of
the New Moon
! 1

1. This spell deals with the rebirth of the deceased at this festival.
Pyramid Texts, Utterance 610 1710-11 1 tran. Faulkner
Raise yourself, you eldest son of Geb … for whom the three day festival is celebrated! May you appear for the monthly festival,
may you be pure for the New Moon festival.
Recitation 275, Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts, tran. James P. Allen
How permanent [is that which has been done for you! … ] for you.
The king shall appear and Paths-Parter shall become exalted with the
king on the day of the new moon.
The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts by James P allen, Recitation 529,530, 536
Departure has departed, what is good has come about. So,
my father has been guided to what is good, his arm has been taken
to the gods’ places by those of the great ones, and father Osiris Pepi
will go on high as Paths-Parter at the fore of the Dual Shrines.
Raise yourself, father Osiris Pepi, as Anubis of the shrine raises himself.
Your feet are those of the Jackal: so, you will stand up. Your arms
are those of the Jackal: so, you will stand up at the great post, mistress
of the blessed, she in the midst of Hermopolis, whom Geb and
Nut have blessed. You should call for the one who rows over him,162
that he might get for you the sole Dual Crown and you may cross
in it the canals and the hillocks.
Father Osiris Pepi’s cross-over canal has been opened, the Winding
Canal has flooded. So, father Osiris Pepi will call for the helmsman
and for the one who listens (to commands), and they will ferry
father Osiris Pepi to yonder eastern side of the sky. So, father Osiris
Pepi will go to yonder side of the sky, to [yonder] place [where the
gods are born], and father Osiris [Pepi] will be truly born [in
yonder eastern side of the sky], in yonder place where the gods are
born.
When this time comes tomorrow, and the time of the third day (from
now)
, and father Osiris Pepi is the sole star in yonder eastern side of
the sky, he will govern as a god and hear cases like Horus of the
Akhet."...
Father
Osiris Pepi [cannot] truly [die]. It is the case that father Osiris Pepi
has become truly akh; it is the case that father Osiris Pepi has come
to you, having untied his ties and loosened his [ … ]. He has saved
himself from the hobbler and will not be given to the nether regions. [Father Osiris Pepi] shall remain [ … ].
530 [RECITATION. Ho, Pepi! Raise yourself] and sit down on your [metal]
chair...
“[Osiris] Pepi,” the Sun has said,166 “[you will] not [die], your name
will not die.” “Osiris Pepi,” [the Sun] has said, “you will [not] be
ended, [your] name will not be ended. [Osiris] Pepi [ … ]. Osiris
Pepi, [you] shall save [yourself … ].”
So, whoever shall [worship] Osiris and do this magic (spell) for him,
he will be alive forever. Pepi is the one who worships you, Osiris,
[Pepi] is the one who does [this] magic (spell) for you: [so, he will
be] alive forever.
Bojana Mojsov, Osiris: Death and Afterlife of a God
After the chest was buried the death of the god was mourned
for three days and nights. During this time it was customary to bury
figurines of Osiris, made of earth, corn, and vegetable paste, in the ground.
Three images were made, symbolizing his dead, re-membered, and risen body
Plutarch Moralia 367F, 368B
The Egyptians have a legend that the end of Osiris's life came on the seventeenth of the month, on which day it is quite evident
to the eye that the period of the full moon is over...
The wood which they cut on the occasions called the “burials of Osiris” they fashion into a crescent-shaped coffer because of the
fact that the moon, when it comes near the sun, becomes crescent shaped and disappears from our sight. The dismemberment of Osiris
into fourteen parts they refer allegorically to the days of the waning of that satellite from the time of the full moon to the new moon.
Plutarch, Moralia, 368B
The Apis, they say, is the animate image of Osiris,250 and he comes into being when a fructifying light thrusts forth from the moon and
falls upon a cow in her breeding-season.251 Wherefore there are many things in the Apis that resemble features of the moon, his bright
parts being darkened by the shadowy. Moreover, at the time of the new moon in the month of Phamenoth they celebrate a festival to
which they give the name of "Osiris's coming to the Moon," and this marks the beginning of the spring. Thus they make the power of
Osiris to be fixed in the Moon, and say that Isis, since she is generation, is associated with him.
The Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt Richard H. Wilkinson
Mythologically, it was said that the Apis bull was born to a virgin cow that had been impregnated by the god Ptah...
Death and afterlife in Ancient Egypt John H Taylor
Apis was believed to be incarnate in a bull, born to a virgin cow which was supposed to have been impregnated by Ptah through the agency of fire from heaven (perhaps a bolt of lightning)
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nightshadetwine wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:45 pm
Giuseppe wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:25 am The two kingdoms may be also the night and the day. They have the same length during the vernal equinox, where some Mythicists à la Acharya (with all the doubts of the case) identified the crucifixion in the heavens.
I think it's possible that Jesus' death and resurrection has something to do with astrological phenomena. Specifically the moon. It's interesting that Jesus' death and resurrection took place around the time of the full moon (Passover) ...
I've seen commentary that Jesus resurrection was timed for the equinox and specifically to align the fourth day after the equinox with the fourth day of the creation story of Genesis [1:16, tied to Gen 1:14 "as [a sign] to mark sacred times"], when 'God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day', -

Genesis 1
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night.

All 3 days after the first day of creation when

the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 2 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good (Gen 1:1-2)

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MrMacSon wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:22 pm I've seen commentary that Jesus resurrection was timed for the equinox and specifically to align the fourth day after the equinox with the fourth day of the creation story of Genesis [1:16, tied to Gen 1:14 "as [a sign] to mark sacred times"], when 'God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day', -

Genesis 1
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night.

All 3 days after the first day of creation when

the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 2 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good (Gen 1:1-2)

Interesting. The full moon being the time when the sun and the moon are "united" according to the Egyptians.

In the Egyptian books of the netherworld the sun god Re dies and merges with Osiris which causes Re to be resurrected. That could be related to the sun "uniting" with the moon.

I suspect there's some connection between the death and resurrection of Jesus and the sun and moon.

Theophilus of Antioch, Ad Autolycum 1.13
If you wish to behold a still more marvelous sight, taking place
to provide proof of resurrection not only from matters on earth but
also from those in heaven, consider the monthly resurrection of the
moon, how it wanes, dies, and rises again
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