Why "the 15° year under Tiberius"? Because the 15 of Tybi

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Why "the 15° year under Tiberius"? Because the 15 of Tybi

Post by Giuseppe » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:16 am


It came to pass then, when the disciples were sitting together on the Mount of Olives, speaking of these words and rejoicing in great joy, and exulting exceedingly and saying one to another: "Blessed are we before all men who are on the earth, because the Saviour hath revealed this unto us, and we have received the Fulness and the total completion,"--they said this to one another, while Jesus sat a little removed from them.
A great light-power descendeth on Jesus.And it came to pass then, on the fifteenth day of the moon in the month Tybi, which is the day on which the moon is full, on that day then, when the sun had come forth in his going, that there came forth behind him a great light-power shining most exceedingly, and there was no measure to the light conjoined with it. For it came out of the Light of lights, and it came out of the
last mystery, which is the four-and-twentieth |5.mystery, from within without,--those which are in the orders of the second space of the First Mystery. And that light-power came down over Jesus and surrounded him entirely, while he was seated removed from his disciples, and he had shone most exceedingly, and there was no measure for the light which was on him.
It surroundeth him entirely.And the disciples had not seen Jesus because of the great light in which he was, or which was about him; for their eyes were darkened because of the great light in which he was. But they saw only the light, which shot forth many light-rays. And the light-rays were not like one another, but the light was of divers kind, and it was of divers type, from below upwards, one [ray] more excellent than the other, . . ., in one great immeasurable glory of light; it stretched from under the earth right up to heaven.--And when the disciples saw that light, they fell into great fear and great agitation

http://gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps006.htm
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Re: Why "the 15° year under Tiberius"? Because the 15 of Tybi

Post by Giuseppe » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:28 am



And there are those who have determined not only the year of our Lord's birth, but also the day; and they say that it took place in the twenty-eighth year of Augustus, and in the twenty-fifth day of Pachon. And the followers of Basilides hold the day of his baptism as a festival, spending the night before in readings.

And they say that it was the fifteenth year of Tiberius Cæsar, the fifteenth day of the month Tybi; and some that it was the eleventh of the same month.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02101.htm
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Re: Why "the 15° year under Tiberius"? Because the 15 of Tybi

Post by Giuseppe » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:36 am

The incipit of the Earliest Gospel:

In the 15th year of Tiberius, God descended into Capernaum, [a city of Galilee]

"A city of Galilee" was a later interpolation, Capernaum being the netherworld.


Capernaum = place of desolation, netherworld (so Heracleon).

Or, if the name was derived from Josephus, the name of the spring of fertilizing water, in a place otherwise arid. So there is no real antithesis between the idea of consolation ("Nahum") and the idea of desolation.

In Mark, the "wilderness" replaces "Capernaum" as place of desolation.

In the Earliest Gospel, Jesus descended in the netherworld to be crucified by demons.

In Mark, Jesus descended into wilderness (=Capernaum = netherworld) to be "tempted" by demons.


In the Earliest Gospel, as per Ascension of Isaiah (original version), Jesus assumes the form of a archon of the planetary level crossed by him.


In Mark, the spirit of Christ descends on a guy (Jesus) baptized by John the Baptist, but really in the Earliest Gospel the spirit of Christ descended on John the Baptist.

John the Baptist was the earthly version of an celestial archon. He was the material body worn by Christ to hide himself in the eyes of human archons (just as Christ hide himself behind an archontic body during the descent into lower heavens, etc). But why was John an earthly archon? Because he was a seditionist: not more innocent than his killers, in term of archontic nature.

But Jesus was not crucified in the form of John. The body of John was the temporary recipient of the spiritual Christ only for the time necessary to cross the earth. Jesus had to descend into Hades to be crucified there. Final destination: Hades (= Capernaum = wilderness = netherworld).

This is the reason why Jesus (really: the Christ) goes "to the wilderness" immediately after that Jesus (really: John the Baptist) was possessed by the spiritual Christ).

While Jesus is crucified by the demons in the Hades (=temptations in the wilderness), John the Baptist is killed by Herod on the earth. Jesus comes out of Hades, he rises, and he mets the disciples of John the Baptist. They think (wrongly) that Jesus is John redivivus. But they are idiots.


The brothers of John (the Kyrios), are James and Simon (Peter). their names were derived from Josephus, standing for the sons of Judas the Galilean. So the euhemerizers wanted to emphasize the archontic (=seditious) nature of the disciples of the man who was for a short time the human recipient of the spiritual Christ. Hence it is explained why one of the 12 is called "Kananite" or "Simon the Zealot".

To excommunicate this Jesus Son of Father, he was named by the Judaizers as "Jesus Bar Rabban", meaning: "Jesus son of the higher teacher". "Rabban" was the title of Hillel, for example. The higher teacher is, obviously, the higher god, the marcionite Father.

The archontic (zealot) nature of the human recipient of the marcionite Christ is still evident behind the fact that Barabbas is a murderer and a criminal, a dangerous seditionist.

The great error of the historicists à la Brandon is to believe that Christ existed and was a Zealot. At contrary, Christ was a mythological being and his mere human appearance (not really himself, not really the his divine nature) was that of a Zealot, since in the Ascension of Isaiah, the Son had to take the form of criminal archontic entities.

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Re: Why "the 15° year under Tiberius"? Because the 15 of Tybi

Post by Giuseppe » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:20 pm

So the Earliest Gospel didn't euhemerize still Jesus, since it started with the descent of Jesus directly into Hades.
In Hades Jesus met the prophets of the Creator and John the Baptist himself. They rejected Jesus, who abandoned the Sheol carrying above all the souls of the Good God of Marcion. The his ascension assumed the form of a violent expulsion: the cosmic crucifixion by demons.

It was only in the sequel of the story, after the crucifixion, that Jesus descended again and appeared the first time on the earth (in Galilee) in the form of John redivivus to deceive the his followers (Peter James and John in primis) and reveal the true Gospel to Paul the Apostle.
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Re: Why "the 15° year under Tiberius"? Because the 15 of Tybi

Post by Giuseppe » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:31 pm

The Earliest Gospel euhemerized only the risen Christ, not the Christ who was crucified.
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Re: Why "the 15° year under Tiberius"? Because the 15 of Tybi

Post by Giuseppe » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:08 am


The fact that the first full moon of the agricultural year also marks the Passover celebration suggests that the Jewish feast is secondary to a very ancient agricultural and lunar celebration, one that celebrated the conquest of darkness by the moon’s light—in gnostic terms, the passage from ignorance to understanding. After all, the full moon was the symbol, par excellence, of light conquering darkness. Of course, such a gnostic view of life was palatable neither to Judaism nor to Christianity. In both these religions the lunar feast was adopted but the gnostic meaning was masked by new dogma: (1) God acted in history to save the Israelites (the Jewish Passover); and (2) God acted in history to save the world through His Son’s resurrection (the Christian Easter).

(my bold)

http://www.mythicistpapers.com/2018/05/ ... tary-pt-7/

So Detering/Salm (original emphasis, my underline):

The “light of Christ” at midnight recalls Mt. 25:1 ff. However, because we are speaking of a full moon celebration at Passover, it can be argued that “the light of Christ” is simply a more recent interpretation of the self-generated light of the full moon—gnosis.

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Re: Why "the 15° year under Tiberius"? Because the 15 of Tybi

Post by Giuseppe » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:17 am


The tenth mont, Tebit, was exceedingly unlucky, since ghosts were supposed to return from under the earth, and demons were especially active.

(Rupert Gleadow, The Origin of the Zodiac, my bold)

from under the earth, since Jesus descended to Sheol (=Capernaum) and ascended from there to earth.
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Re: Why "the 15° year under Tiberius"? Because the 15 of Tybi

Post by Giuseppe » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:39 am

Scholar Judith Lieu realizes the “coincidence”, also:

Clement of Alexandria claims that the followers of Basilides celebrated the baptism of Jeuss, taking 'the fifteenth year of Tiberius' as indicating the fifteenth (or eleventh) of the Egyptian month Tubi (Strom. I 21.246), which might suggest that his 'Gospel' also began in terms similar to Luke 3.1.

https://books.google.it/books?id=PtXeBg ... bi&f=false

(my bold)
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Re: Why "the 15° year under Tiberius"? Because the 15 of Tybi

Post by Giuseppe » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:51 am

Not only Lieu. Also this scholar quotes Mead as saying:

"They of Basilides," says Clement, "celebrate His Baptism by a preliminary night-service of readings; and they say that 'the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar' means the fifteenth day of the month Tybi." It was then that the Father "in the likeness of a dove"--which they explained as meaning the Minister or Holy Spirit--came upon Him. In "the fifteenth [year] of Tib[erius]" we have, then, perhaps an interesting glimpse into the workshop of the "historicizers." [Fragments of a Faith Forgotten p. 278]

(my bold) Mead is saying the same thing realized by me, with the only difference that I use the term "euhemerizers" for "historicisers" ;)

Now this is interesting:
Mead's point is that the Basilideans aren't simply saying that the baptism occurred on the 15th of Tybi but that this reading replaces the familiar 'fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar' in Luke (or more like a Diatessaron-like gospel).

Mead isn't alone in his interpretation of the material this way. Henry Wace and William Coleman Piercy in their Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature to the End of the Sixth Century (hardly a theosophical handbook) break it down as follows:
They of Basilides (οἱ ἀπὸ Β.) celebrate the day of His Baptism by a preliminary night-service of [Scripture] readings (προδιανυκτερεύοντες ἀναγνώσεσι); and they say that the 'fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar' (Luk_3:1) is (or means) the fifteenth day of the [Egyptian] month Tybi while some [make the day] the eleventh of the same month.

(my emphasis)
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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