The two crucified thieves cursing Jesus were... ...Moses and Elijiah

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The two crucified thieves cursing Jesus were... ...Moses and Elijiah

Post by Giuseppe » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:07 pm

The transfiguration of Jesus was really the his celestial crucifixion.

In both the episodes Jesus is put between two people sharing his status (respectively: in the glory at the transfiguration and in the misery at the crucifixion).

The Cross was a cosmic crucifixion for Paul: a symbol of victory. On the Law (Moses) and the Prophets (Elijiah). Hence it is explained why they also, as crucified thieves, cursed Jesus. The Christ was "crucifying" the Law and the Prophets in that precise moment.

Luke 9:31:
οἳ ὀφθέντες ἐν δόξῃ ἔλεγον τὴν ἔξοδον αὐτοῦ, ἣν ἤμελλεν πληροῦν ἐν Ἱερουσαλήμ

The "exodus" is allegorized by the baptism and the baptism in Paul is the crucifixion of Jesus. So by the his death, Jesus ascends to heaven and a new "exodus" is going so to happen. The transfiguration was the Ascension of Jesus, happened mythologically the 15 of month Tybi and not under Tiberius (the 15 year of the his kingdom).

After the Transfiguration/Crucifixion/Ascension, Jesus descends again as the Risen Christ to reveal the Gospel to Paul.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: The two crucified thieves cursing Jesus were... ...Moses and Elijiah

Post by Giuseppe » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:19 pm

So the Mark's separationism is the judaizing effort to "curse" the mere man Jesus as distinct from Christ, to make him again subjected to the Law and the Prophets. Why would have the real author cursed the man Jesus, when who cursed him were the Law (Moses) and the Prophets (Elijiah)?

So the original Gospel was NOT separationist.

Unless the crucified man was just the mere appearance of John the Baptist redivivus, abandoned by Jesus on the cross.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: The two crucified thieves cursing Jesus were... ...Moses and Elijiah

Post by Giuseppe » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:39 am

The original Transfiguration was the celestial crucifixion of Jesus in the lower heavens, between earth and heaven.

So the order of places in the Earliest Gospel was the following:

1) Jesus descends to Sheol ("Capernaum").

2) he frees the souls of the Sheol who recognize him as the son of an alien god (not the god of the Jews)

3) he ascends to earth in the form of John redivivus,

4)
he does the usual miracles, etc

5) he ascends to a mountain with the Pillars. And the Transfiguration is the his Celestial Crucifixion. The Pillars saw the cosmic cross, without knowing that the Law (Moses) and the Prophets (Elijiah) were nailed to the cosmic cross.

6) He descends again on the earth. He delivers the esoteric Gospel.

7) he is crucified by the Jews of the demiurge via Pilate.

8) he is risen, and he reveals the his real identity to the disciples of Emmaus (he is the Serpent giver of Gnosis).

I am not sure if the latter 3 points are found in the original gospel, since there was already a crucifixion in the Transfiguration episode.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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