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As I was Googling about the other day, seeing if I could find anything interesting about the subject of Astrotheology, a topic greatly beloved by Mr Tulip and his mentor D Murdoch, I came across the above book by Thomas James Thorburn, The Mythical Interpretation of the Gospels (1916).

https://archive.org/details/mythicalinterpre00thorrich

At first I thought it might be by a proponent of the theory that many ancient myths have an Astrological/Astronomical origin, because he goes into great detail about the theories proposed by a wide variety of such advocates, but on examination, it quickly became clear that the writer was a "liberal" Christian of his time, which meant he was not afraid to apply historical criticism while still retaining an admiration for the social-psychological benefits of the Christian religion (it's all pretty much symbolism, which makes us feel better and allows us to work together as a cohesive society).

The book was written to serve as an entry into a competitive essay competition sponsored by The Bross Foundation, a trust established to "call out the best efforts of the highest talent and the ripest scholarship of the world to illustrate from science, or from any department of knowledge, and to demonstrate the divine origin and the authority of the Christian scriptures," every 10 years, and this one won in 1915 and was published in finished form the next year as #3 in the series.

The Introduction was very helpful to me, because it included a rather full overview of the various mythical hypotheses put forward over the previous 120 years. As this work was published in the USA in 1916 by the copyright holder, The Trustees of Lake Forest University, Lake Forest, Illinois, it should no longer be under copyright, I am going to post them here in five segments.

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Introduction

[xi] The subject of this treatise, "The Mythical Interpretation of the Gospels," as it may be termed, is, it should be widely known, nothing more nor less than the theory that our present four canonical Gospels are in no sense whatever what we nowadays mean by the term "historical documents." This is, in truth, a most serious proposition to fling down before the world after close upon nineteen centuries of Christian teaching which has been throughout based upon the contrary affirmation. For, if any such theory be a true one, and can be so established to the satisfaction not only of scholars but to that of the world at large, then the documents referred to must be in effect probably nothing more than a mere congeries of ancient nature-myths, and their Central Figure also can only be an embodiment of one or more [xii] of the various cult-gods or nature-spirits (demons) with which the imagination of the ancient races who formerly dwelt in the southern parts of western Asia and eastern Europe, with Egypt and Arabia, peopled those lands for many centuries before and subsequent to the Christian era.

The subject, the present writer repeats, is one of the utmost importance when viewed from the religious standpoint; and it has hitherto, in his opinion, been somewhat too hastily set aside without examination, and even quietly snubbed by critical as well as by dogmatic theologians. It is not thus that any theory, however wrongheaded it may be, is checked, nor by these means are genuine seekers after truth ever convinced of its errors. On the contrary, such theories and assertions should be challenged freely and criticised, and their mistakes and assumptions frankly and systematically pointed out.

After making the above prefatory statement, it may not be inopportune or superfluous here to give, for the benefit of such readers to whom it will be welcome, a brief sketch of the chief mythical and non-historical explanations of the origin and nature of Christianity which have been put forth from time to time during the period covered by the past one hundred and twenty years.

Previously to the end of the eighteenth century the mythical hypothesis of Christianity was, for all practical purposes, wholly unknown. Going still further back, in the earlier centuries of the Christian era, we find the various fathers of the church and other contemporary writers, secular as well as ecclesiastical, distinguishing most carefully and emphatically the historical Gospel narratives, as they had received or examined them, and above all the personality of Jesus Christ, from the nature myths and the deities of various classes and grades, whether Olympic gods or cultual nature-spirits (demons), which were held in awe or honour by the peoples in whose [xiii] very midst Christianity had but recently been introduced and established. This is, indeed, an indisputable and accepted fact.

Much the same, too, may be said of the Jewish rabbins and others who contributed to that body of authoritative Jewish teaching, mingled with fact and fancy, which at an early period took shape and became known as the two Talmuds. To the Christian fathers and the Jewish rabbins alike both Jesus Christ and the records of his life and teaching had an undoubted historical basis. Even his miracles were in general admitted by the Jews, but were attributed by them either to the agency of demons or to the magical arts which he was supposed to have learned in, and brought from, Egypt. Neither early Christian nor Jew of any period felt the smallest doubt as to the historic character of either Christianity or its Founder, whilst even the pagan Romans and Greeks always refer to both in professedly historic terms. Indeed, the educated Gentiles of all races included within the Roman Empire of that period regarded the Christian system as wholly unlike, and in every respect totally opposed to, the stories told of the cult-gods and divine heroes of their myths. These three primary facts are beyond dispute, and all three taken together form, in the opinion of the present writer, a great and a priori obstacle to any modern scheme that can be devised for the mythicising of the story of the Christian religion or the person of its Founder.
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Thomas James Thorburn, The Mythical Interpretation of the Gospels (1916)

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With the period of the great French Revolution, at the end of the eighteenth century, a great change was obviously impending. Its advent was heralded by the publication, in 1794, of the notorious work of Charles François Dupuis (1742-1809), entitled L'origine de tons les Cultes, ou la Religion Universette, which had followed close upon Volney's Les Ruines, ou Meditation sur les Revolutions des Empires, a thinly veiled and dilettante [xiv] attack upon all religion, and especially upon the historical character and evidences of Christianity. In the work of Dupuis all primitive religion is connected with a system of astral mythology, and the origin of astral myths is traced to Upper Egypt. This book excited some interest at the time of its publication, though it had only a small sale; it is said, however, to have been largely instrumental in bringing about the expedition organised by Napoleon Bonaparte for the exploration, or exploitation, of that country. Regarding this book, it will suffice here to say that a distinguished modern astronomerxiv.n1 has (March 20, 1914) informed the present writer that Dupuis's "method led him to the conclusion that the constellations must have been devised when the sun was in the constellation Aries at the autumnal equinox, i.e., about 13000 B.C. The evidence afforded by the unmapped space round the south pole proves that he was ten or eleven thousand years wrong; in other words, nearly as wrong as he could be"!xiv.n2 Any system which is based upon such a huge and primary error as this stands self-condemned at the outset.

The method of Dupuis soon fell into disrepute, but in spite of this fact it has been revived in our own day in a somewhat modified form by certain modern mythicists, notably A. Niemojewski (Bog Jezus, 1909, and Gott Jezus im Lichte fremder und eigener Forschungen, samt Darstellung der evangeliscken Astralstojfe, Astralszenen, und Astralsysteme, 1910) and [Christian Paul] Fuhrmann (Der Astralmythen von Christus, [1912]), who have used this once much-vaunted "key" to the origin of religions in a manner regardless not only of astronomical facts but even, at times, of common sense.

With the downfall, in the early nineteenth century, of the astral theory of Dupuis, which in speculative theology was largely superseded by the unimaginative [xv] rationalism of Paulus (1761-1851), the next generation were confronted with a revival of the mythic theory in a new and improved form. David Friedrich Strauss (1808-74) issued in 1835-6 his famous work, Das Leben Jesu, based to a great extent upon the dialectical method of the then fashionable Hegelian idealistic philosophy, in which, while he acknowledged the actual existence of an historical Jesus who formed the subject of the Gospel memoirs, Strauss maintained had had such a complete halo of myth thrown around him that for all practical purposes his life was entirely unknown to us. This work created a great sensation almost throughout Europe, and a fourth edition of it, translated by George Eliot, appeared in England in a popular form under the English title of The Life of Jesus Critically Examined (1846). Finally the work was entirely recast and rewritten as Das Leben Jesu für das Deutsche Volk bearbeitet (1865); in this new form Strauss declared that he viewed the Gospel stories rather as conscious inventions than as poetic myths, as he had maintained in the original Das Leben Jesu.

xiv.n1 Mr. E. Walter Maunder, F.R.A.S.
xiv.n2 See also Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed., art. "Dupuis."
Let me add here that the Dendra tomb was renovated in the Ptolemaic and Roman ages, so not everything in it can be accurately dated as "ancient" as asserted by Dupuis and others. I am not sure if I am comparing apples and oranges here, but the following web page may shed some light on the issues only alluded to by Thornburn:
"In the early 1800s Charles Dupuis argued that the rectangular zodiac [of Dendera] originated around 13,000 BCE on the assumption that the summer solstice then occurred in Capricorn (the Goat), which stands at one of the four ends of the zodiac." "Jed Z. Buchwald & Diane Greco Josefowicz, The Zodiac of Paris: How an improbable controversy over an ancient Egyptian artifact provoked a modern debate between religion and science, Princeton University Press, 2010, p. 113. Another possibility is that instead of Capricorn being the constellation in which the solstice sun rose, it is the constellation in which it set; this would bring the date forward by about 10,500 years (ibid., p. 208)." http://davidpratt.info/pole5.htm#ne11 ]
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Thomas James Thorburn, The Mythical Interpretation of the Gospels (1916)

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This non-historical and later view of the Gospel records and the person of Jesus was next taken up by Bruno Bauer (1809-82), a critic belonging, like Strauss, in the earlier part of his career, to the Hegelian "Left Wing," and who differed from Strauss chiefly in denying that the Judaism antecedent to the rise of Christianity harboured any potent Messianic expectations. The Messiah, Bauer maintained (Kritik der Evangelischen Geschichte der Synoptiker, 1841), was the product of the Christian consciousness, and was rather carried back from the Christian system into that of Judaism than borrowed by the former from the latter source. As for the Gospels, they were, he thought, abstract conceptions turned into history, probably by one man the evangelist Mark.

Before, however, dismissing Jesus as a wholly fictitious character in history, Bauer decided to make a further [xvi] critical examination of the structure and contents of the Pauline epistles (Kritik der Paulinischen Briefe, 1850-1). As an outcome of these combined investigations he at last decided that an historical Jesus never existed a result little, if at all, removed from the final conclusions of Strauss.

With the death of Bauer the mythical hypothesis may be said to have entered upon a new phase. In 1882 Rudolf Seydel published his Das Evangelium von Jesu in seinen Verhaltnissen zur Buddha-Sage und Buddha-Lehre, which was followed not long afterwards by his Die Buddha-Legende und das Leben Jesu nach den Evangelien (26. ed., 1897), and Buddha und Christus (1884), in which the avowed object was to demonstrate that the life of Jesus, as related by the compilers of the synoptic Gospels, was almost wholly derived from similar anecdotes related of the Buddha in Buddhist legend and myth. The reader of the present book will find the greater number of these stories quoted and compared with their (so-called) Christian "parallels" and "derivatives." This theory had been, however, already effectively criticised by Bousset in the Theologiscke Rundschau for February, 1889.

At the opening of the twentieth century another Oriental "source" was proposed by Mr. J. M. Robertson (Christianity and Mythology, 1900; Pagan Christs: Studies in Comparative Hierology, 1903, 2d ed., 1912). This author, whose excursions into the field of theology all bear the marks of great haste and extreme recklessness of statement, has been very largely dealt with in the present volume. It will suffice, therefore, to add here that he traces the portrait of Jesus, as drawn by the synoptic writers, to a syncretism of mythological elements derived primarily, perhaps, from early Hebraic tradition and myth combined (later on) with various pagan myths, European as well as Asiatic, and especially the stories told about the early life of Kṛishṇa and, in some cases, [xvii] those recorded of the Buddha. Indeed, the idea contained in the story of Jesus is, in the main, for him, very largely a recension of the myth of an old Ephraimitic sun-god "Joshua," which, when historicised, gave rise to a legend regarding a northern Israelite Messiah, Joshua ben Joseph.

This last-mentioned view of Christianity and its Founder, again, does not differ very greatly from that of Professor W. B. Smith, of Tulane University, New Orleans, U. S. A., who (Der Vorchristliche Jesus, 1906) derives the "Christ-myth" from certain alleged "Jesus cults," dating from" pre-Christian times. Jesus is, he thinks, the name of an ancient Western Semitic cult-god, and he finds a reference to the doctrines held by the devotees of this deity in Acts 18:25. He also further maintains that "Nazareth" was not in pre-Christian times the name of a village in Galilee (since no such village then existed), but is a corruption of Nazaraios (Ναζαραῖος), meaning "guardian" or "saviour" a word identical in its signification with "Jesus," the name of this ancient cult-god. "Christ," also, in like manner has reference to the same deity, for Χριστός [Christos] is equatable with Χρηστός [Chrēstos], found in the LXX version of Psalm 34: 8.

The above views Professor Smith subsequently developed more fully in a later work (Ecce Deus, 1912), in which he maintains, contrary to the commonly accepted view, that Jesus is presented by the evangelist Mark wholly as a god (i.e., a cult-deity) in an anthropomorphic guise.
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Thomas James Thorburn, The Mythical Interpretation of the Gospels (1916)

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We may, perhaps, here also briefly note another variant form of the mythical theory which has been proposed by the German Assyriologist, P. Jensen.

Doctor Jensen states (Das Gilgamesch-epos in der Weltliteratur, 1906; Moses, Jesus, Paulus: drei Varianten des Babylonischen Gottmenschen Gilgamesch, 1909; Hat der Jesus der Evangelien wirklich gelebt? 1910) that Jesus may [xviii] be identified with not merely one but several of the mythical heroes in the Babylonian Gilgamesh epic, and a series of so-called parallels found in that work and the Gospels are set forth in his Moses, Jesus, Paulus, as establishing the truth of his thesis. His theory, however, has been rejected by the almost unanimous consent of scholars, and one American theologian has even gone so far as to pronounce the whole hypothesis "elaborate bosh."

But the hypothesis of the mythical origin and nature of Christianity and the unhistorical character of the Gospel narratives reaches its culminating point in two recent works of Professor Drews, of Karlsruhe, who, abandoning for a time the exposition of philosophy, appears as the strenuous advocate of a mythical Christianity (Die Christusmythe, 1910, English translation The Christ Myth; and The Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus,xviii.n1 1912). His method and conclusions may be briefly summarised as follows: From Robertson and W. B. Smith he borrows the general mythical view of the Gospel narratives, and in particular the identification of Jesus with an ancient Hebrew cult-deity, Joshua, and an old Greek divine healer hero, Jason equating Jason = Joshua = Jesus (Joshua forming the intermediate link) as all representing the sun.

Further, from Professor W. B. Smith he adopts the theory that the members of these cults had been termed "Nazoraeans" (Nazaraioi). Christianity, he maintains, is primarily and mainly a syncretism of these elements together with (orthodox) Jewish Messianism plus the pagan (Greco-Roman, etc.) idea of a "redeemer-god," who annually "dies" and "rises," and thereby promotes the welfare of mankind. This synthesis, he thinks, was effected in the mind of St. Paul, who "knew no historical Jesus" (II Cor. 5:16). This explains, he surmises, the great change which took place in the views and actions [xix] of St. Paul. At first, he says, Paul, as a legalist, violently opposed the gospel because the law pronounced cursed every one who had been "hanged upon a tree." But suddenly he became "enlightened," and a reconciliation became possible. He found that he could combine the idea of the expected and orthodox Jewish Messiah of the first century with the older and self-sacrificing god of the ethnic nature-cults, which latter were closely akin to the pre-Christian Joshua or Jesus cults. "This," concludes Professor Drews, "was the moment of Christianity's birth as a religion of Paul."xix.n1

To sum up: Professor Drews has himself stated his position in the following terms: The Gospels do not contain the history of an actual man, but only the myth of the god-man Jesus clothed in an historical dress. Further, such important, and for religious purposes significant, events in the Gospels as the Baptism, the Lord's Supper, the Crucifixion, and the Resurrection of Jesus are all borrowed by St. Paul from the cult-worship of the mythical Jesus, being embodied in ancient and pre-Christian systems of religious ritual.

Yet further: The "historical Jesus" of modern critical theology has now become so vague and doubtful a figure in both religion and history that he can no longer be regarded as the absolutely indispensable condition of salvation. Doctor Drews likewise believes that his own works are written in the true interests of religion, for which ideas alone not personalities have value, and, by reason of his convictions, that the forms of Christianity which have hitherto prevailed are no longer sufficient for modern needs. Not the historical Jesus, he urges, but Christ as an idea - as an idea of the divine humanity - must henceforth be the ground of religion. And he adds that "when we can and will no longer believe on accidental [!] [xx] personalities, we can and must believe on ideas."xx.n1

xviii.n1 An amended version of the second part of The Christ Myth.
xix.n1 We have here an example of the application of the three "moments" of the Hegelian dialectic thesis, antithesis, synthesis ; see Hegel's Logic.
xx.n1 See the Berliner Religionsgesprach, 1910, pp. 94 f.; and cf. Die Christusmythe, p. xi.
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Thomas James Thorburn, The Mythical Interpretation of the Gospels (1916)

[continuation, page 5 of 5, basically, his summary]
It is not our purpose here to deal with this complex mass of crude theories, suppositions, and assumptions, but we may, perhaps, in this place appropriately quote the apposite remarks thereupon of Doctor A. Schweitzer (Paul and His Interpreters, pp. 193 and 239): "In particular, these [mythical] works aim at getting hold of the idea of a Greek redeemer-god who might serve as an analogue to Jesus Christ. No figure of this designation occurs in any myth or in any mystery religion; it is created by a process of generalisation, abstraction, and reconstruction."

Again: "These writers make a rather extravagant use of the privilege of standing outside the ranks of scientific theology. Their imagination leaps with playful elegance over obstacles of fact, and enables them to discover everywhere the pre-Christian Jesus whom their souls desire, even in places where an ordinary intelligence can find no trace of it."xx.n2

This is true; and it is also true that any discussion of a general nature which may be carried on with reference to these "generalisations, abstractions, and reconstructions" is seldom a fruitful one. Let us, therefore, put the results of the above mental operations to a more concrete test, viz., that of an actual comparative study in detail. In other words, let us analyse and compare carefully the stories told by the evangelists with the mythic episodes from which the former are said to be derived, or which they are confidently stated to resemble. If they fail in this final and supreme test, then we may safely dismiss the whole theory of the mythical interpretation of the Gospels, with its "generalisations, abstractions, [xxi] and reconstructions," as an interesting but empty dream. This is, indeed, the practical and only true method of testing all theories in almost every department of knowledge, and it is the one which the present writer has endeavoured to set before his readers in the following pages.

xx.n2 See also Doctor F. C. Conybeare, The Historical Christ, p. 29.
Grist for the mill ... but I hope it puts to rest the origin of a number of assertions made on this list and it's predecessor FRDB, which have been challenged by others, but for which only a weak, or no, response was offered from the person making the assertion. I think what it shows is that a good many mythicist ideas have been floating about the internet torn from all frames of reference, and often tentative proposals or those which had been disposed are freely cited as if established fact. The person who browses the web encounters them but has not the faintest idea where they came from, yet still confidently asserts them as facts.

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DCHindley wrote:Thomas James Thorburn, The Mythical Interpretation of the Gospels (1916)

[continuation, page 5 of 5, basically, his summary]
It is not our purpose here to deal with this complex mass of crude theories, suppositions, and assumptions, but we may, perhaps, in this place appropriately quote the apposite remarks thereupon of Doctor A. Schweitzer (Paul and His Interpreters, pp. 193 and 239): "In particular, these [mythical] works aim at getting hold of the idea of a Greek redeemer-god who might serve as an analogue to Jesus Christ. No figure of this designation occurs in any myth or in any mystery religion; it is created by a process of generalisation, abstraction, and reconstruction."

Again: "These writers make a rather extravagant use of the privilege of standing outside the ranks of scientific theology. Their imagination leaps with playful elegance over obstacles of fact, and enables them to discover everywhere the pre-Christian Jesus whom their souls desire, even in places where an ordinary intelligence can find no trace of it."xx.n2

This is true; and it is also true that any discussion of a general nature which may be carried on with reference to these "generalisations, abstractions, and reconstructions" is seldom a fruitful one. Let us, therefore, put the results of the above mental operations to a more concrete test, viz., that of an actual comparative study in detail. In other words, let us analyse and compare carefully the stories told by the evangelists with the mythic episodes from which the former are said to be derived, or which they are confidently stated to resemble. If they fail in this final and supreme test, then we may safely dismiss the whole theory of the mythical interpretation of the Gospels, with its "generalisations, abstractions, [xxi] and reconstructions," as an interesting but empty dream. This is, indeed, the practical and only true method of testing all theories in almost every department of knowledge, and it is the one which the present writer has endeavoured to set before his readers in the following pages.

xx.n2 See also Doctor F. C. Conybeare, The Historical Christ, p. 29.
Grist for the mill ... but I hope it puts to rest the origin of a number of assertions made on this list and it's predecessor FRDB, which have been challenged by others, but for which only a weak, or no, response was offered from the person making the assertion. I think what it shows is that a good many mythicist ideas have been floating about the internet torn from all frames of reference, and often tentative proposals or those which had been disposed are freely cited as if established fact. The person who browses the web encounters them but has not the faintest idea where they came from, yet still confidently asserts them as facts.

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I really don't get what all this is about? Sure, the ahistoric/mythicist position has many adherents with 'strange' ideas etc - yes, by all means correct where correction is needed. However, lets not overlook the nonsense that has been taught for centuries by proponents of the historical Jesus. The incarnation christology beats anything that any mythicist has ever proposed....

And surely, it goes without saying, that whatever 'nonsense' that any ahistoricist/mythicist might propose in support of their theory, that the gospel JC was not a historical figure, that 'nonsense' does not invalidate their premise.
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maryhelena wrote:I really don't get what all this is about? Sure, the ahistoric/mythicist position has many adherents with 'strange' ideas etc - yes, by all means correct where correction is needed. However, lets not overlook the nonsense that has been taught for centuries by proponents of the historical Jesus. The incarnation christology beats anything that any mythicist has ever proposed....

And surely, it goes without saying, that whatever 'nonsense' that any ahistoricist/mythicist might propose in support of their theory, that the gospel JC was not a historical figure, that 'nonsense' does not invalidate their premise.
I'm not necessarily saying I agree with him about everything, only that he provides a really full overview of the modern proponents of various mythicist ideas that are kicked around this board endlessly by folks who either don't know where the hypotheses came from or are just plagiarizing snippets of their works found on web pages.

I have downloaded copies of most of the English works of the mythicists cited, and the actual body of this 356 page book gives excruciating details, more or less even handedly (authors tend to employ more sarcasm and hyperbole in their introduction than in the text body), so I encourage anyone to download this book and at least skim through it to see if familiar ideas ring a bell, then follow along those passages more closely, and refer back to the works of the critics being discussed as required to better understand what points were being made.

You are under no obligation to upset any tea carts or anything by reading any of this. I did not post it to advocate a holy historicist cause, only to illustrate where mythicist hypotheses have come from. You have to decide if they make their cases or not. Thorburn agrees with A Schweitzer that the History of Religion School has made mountains out of molehills by creative reinterpretation of ancient evidence. Unfortunately, Schweitzer (writing up to around 1910 or 1912) never really engaged critics aligned with this school of thought as thoroughly as he did earlier critics like Strauss and Bauer, who also thought Jesus was a mythical construction, although one created in Roman times (roughly late 1st or early 2nd century CE) and historicized by projecting the myth back into 1st century Judea.

Feel free to cite authorities who can criticize the positions of historicists, as long as they are not "apologists."

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maryhelena wrote:I really don't get what all this is about? Sure, the ahistoric/mythicist position has many adherents with 'strange' ideas etc - yes, by all means correct where correction is needed. However, lets not overlook the nonsense that has been taught for centuries by proponents of the historical Jesus. The incarnation christology beats anything that any mythicist has ever proposed....

And surely, it goes without saying, that whatever 'nonsense' that any ahistoricist/mythicist might propose in support of their theory, that the gospel JC was not a historical figure, that 'nonsense' does not invalidate their premise.
I'm not necessarily saying I agree with him about everything, only that he provides a really full overview of the modern proponents of various mythicist ideas that are kicked around this board endlessly by folks who either don't know where the hypotheses came from or are just plagiarizing snippets of their works found on web pages.

I have downloaded copies of most of the English works of the mythicists cited, and the actual body of this 356 page book gives excruciating details, more or less even handedly (authors tend to employ more sarcasm and hyperbole in their introduction than in the text body), so I encourage anyone to download this book and at least skim through it to see if familiar ideas ring a bell, then follow along those passages more closely, and refer back to the works of the critics being discussed as required to better understand what points were being made.

You are under no obligation to upset any tea carts or anything by reading any of this.

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hha re the tea carts.....

Why stop with the mythicists - how about a chart detailing mythicist nonsense side by side with historical Jesus nonsense. Play fair, DCH.... :popcorn:
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Hey DC: I have a copy in Word Document of a series of articles published in 1907 on Mystic Christianity authored by Yogi Ramacharaka. Though I have only skimmed over it as I myself am gathering different authors in an effort to see how the debates went on this subject in later times. I share this with you based on your comment
The person who browses the web encounters them but has not the faintest idea where they came from, yet still confidently asserts them as facts.
is such a true statement. The series of articles may help you in seeing some of what Thorburn had encountered in his time.
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DCHindley wrote: Feel free to cite authorities who can criticize the positions of historicists, as long as they are not "apologists."

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haha - don't want to view the dirty laundry from the historicist side....naughty David, naughty.... :roll:
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