Ahhhhh...... finally!
Thank you Ben.
Ahhhhh...... finally!
What examples can you give? And is this true of Paul as well?Secret Alias wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 8:11 pm But remember that none of the Christian MSS actually spell out IESOUS in all its forms. A nomen sacrum appears instead
It is true that Ἰησοῦς does not appear as a fully written out name in most/all of our earliest Christian manuscripts (yes, including those of Paul). But our stock of manuscripts includes, fortunately, those of the LXX/OG, which abbreviate the name of the hero Joshua using nomina sacra, as well, thus proving that the Hebrew name Ye(ho)shua is what is represented by the nomen sacrum for the name that we know as Jesus/Joshua. (There is no difference between Joshua and Jesus in either ancient Greek or ancient Hebrew.) And we can tell the case endings of the nomina sacra by the fact that they usually consist of the first and last letter of the name (ΙΣ = nominative, ΙΝ = accusative, ΙΥ = genitive/dative).Jax wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:21 amWhat examples can you give? And is this true of Paul as well?Secret Alias wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 8:11 pm But remember that none of the Christian MSS actually spell out IESOUS in all its forms. A nomen sacrum appears instead
Thanks Ben, I just looked up p46 online and the page with Romans 15:29-33 has IHY XPY which is in keeping with Iesou Christou.Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:57 amIt is true that Ἰησοῦς does not appear as a fully written out name in most/all of our earliest Christian manuscripts (yes, including those of Paul). But our stock of manuscripts includes, fortunately, those of the LXX/OG, which abbreviate the name of the hero Joshua using nomina sacra, as well, thus proving that the Hebrew name Ye(ho)shua is what is represented by the nomen sacrum for the name that we know as Jesus/Joshua. (There is no difference between Joshua and Jesus in either ancient Greek or ancient Hebrew.) And we can tell the case endings of the nomina sacra by the fact that they usually consist of the first and last letter of the name (ΙΣ = nominative, ΙΝ = accusative, ΙΥ = genitive/dative).Jax wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:21 amWhat examples can you give? And is this true of Paul as well?Secret Alias wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 8:11 pm But remember that none of the Christian MSS actually spell out IESOUS in all its forms. A nomen sacrum appears instead
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Not a Christian MS, but a copy of The holy book of the great invisible Spirit in NHC IV spells out the name of a "Ieseus Mazareus Iesedekus, the Living Water".Secret Alias wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 8:11 pm But remember that none of the Christian MSS actually spell out IESOUS in all its forms. A nomen sacrum appears instead