Information Confirmation

[Jax]

So anyway. Just to be clear. Iesous is the name. And it is the transliteration of Yeshua which is the shortened form of Yeheshua which is Hebrew for "YHVH is salvation".

Make it Yehoshua, and that is correct.

Ahhhhh...... finally!

Thank you Ben.

[Jax]

But remember that none of the Christian MSS actually spell out IESOUS in all its forms. A nomen sacrum appears instead

What examples can you give? And is this true of Paul as well?

[Ben C. Smith]

But remember that none of the Christian MSS actually spell out IESOUS in all its forms. A nomen sacrum appears instead

What examples can you give? And is this true of Paul as well?

It is true that Ἰησοῦς does not appear as a fully written out name in most/all of our earliest Christian manuscripts (yes, including those of Paul). But our stock of manuscripts includes, fortunately, those of the LXX/OG, which abbreviate the name of the hero Joshua using nomina sacra, as well, thus proving that the Hebrew name Ye(ho)shua is what is represented by the nomen sacrum for the name that we know as Jesus/Joshua. (There is no difference between Joshua and Jesus in either ancient Greek or ancient Hebrew.) And we can tell the case endings of the nomina sacra by the fact that they usually consist of the first and last letter of the name (ΙΣ = nominative, ΙΝ = accusative, ΙΥ = genitive/dative).

[Jax]

But remember that none of the Christian MSS actually spell out IESOUS in all its forms. A nomen sacrum appears instead

What examples can you give? And is this true of Paul as well?

It is true that Ἰησοῦς does not appear as a fully written out name in most/all of our earliest Christian manuscripts (yes, including those of Paul). But our stock of manuscripts includes, fortunately, those of the LXX/OG, which abbreviate the name of the hero Joshua using nomina sacra, as well, thus proving that the Hebrew name Ye(ho)shua is what is represented by the nomen sacrum for the name that we know as Jesus/Joshua. (There is no difference between Joshua and Jesus in either ancient Greek or ancient Hebrew.) And we can tell the case endings of the nomina sacra by the fact that they usually consist of the first and last letter of the name (ΙΣ = nominative, ΙΝ = accusative, ΙΥ = genitive/dative).

Thanks Ben, I just looked up p46 online and the page with Romans 15:29-33 has IHY XPY which is in keeping with Iesou Christou.

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/i/image/ ... 238_38.TIF

To bad we don't have anything from Paul earlier than p46. It would be interesting to see if he used similar nomina sacra or if copy scribes simply brought him into the fad as it evolved into the third century.

That's it by gum! I'm getting back on that time machine project just as soon as I finish my tea!

Well, maybe do some laundry first. :p

[Ben C. Smith]

That's it by gum! I'm getting back on that time machine project just as soon as I finish my tea!

Well, maybe do some laundry first. :p

Getting the time machine up and running will give you all the time in the world to do laundry.

[Jax]

That's it by gum! I'm getting back on that time machine project just as soon as I finish my tea!

Well, maybe do some laundry first. :p

Getting the time machine up and running will give you all the time in the world to do laundry.

[Geocalyx]

But remember that none of the Christian MSS actually spell out IESOUS in all its forms. A nomen sacrum appears instead

Not a Christian MS, but a copy of The holy book of the great invisible Spirit in NHC IV spells out the name of a "Ieseus Mazareus Iesedekus, the Living Water".