Cyrenaic = Creaneus (Κρηναιος)

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Cyrenaic = Creaneus (Κρηναιος)

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Mark 15:21
καὶ ἀγγαρεύουσιν παράγοντά τινα Σίμωνα Κυρηναῖον ἐρχόμενον ἀπ’ ἀγροῦ, τὸν πατέρα Ἀλεξάνδρου καὶ Ῥούφου, ἵνα ἄρῃ τὸν σταυρὸν αὐτοῦ.


His of Pan] most famous story is a curious one from Plutarch, that of his death. During the reign of the Emperor Tiberius a sailor, Thamus, claims a voice called to him across the ocean telling him to proclaim that the great god Pan was dead. Salomon Reinach suggests he misheard 'Thamus Panmegas tethneke', which actually means ''the all-great Tammuz is dead', Tammuz being a Summerian god of vegetation and food.

http://mythicalexistence.blogspot.com/2 ... s-pan.html

Krenaios – Also spelled Crenaeus, he is the son of Pan (or rather Faunus) and the nymph (more accurately a Nereid) Ismenis

https://brickthology.com/category/satyr/


Ehsmun = Tammuz.

Some argued that Simon Magus was the euhemerization of Ehsmun.

κρήνη meaning a fountain: baptism?

Simon Crenaeus = “Simon Cyrenaic”.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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The name Eshmun shares the semitic root SMN with Simon.

The god Eshmun was mentioned in a Phoenician inscription:
“This statuette was given by Baalshillem, son of king Banaa, king of the Sidonians, to his lord Eshmun of the spring Ydlal. May he bless him.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mylebanonm ... aling/amp/

"of the spring" = Κρηναιος

Therefore Simon Magus is SiMoN/eShMuN Κρηναιος , confused (more or less deliberately) with Simon Κυρηναῖος.

Therefore prof Robert Price is right to identify Simon of Cyrene with Simon Magus.

In virtue of this recognition, the Gospel of Mark has to be dated necessarily in a time when simonianism was rival with Christianity. With 115 CE as terminus post quem.


The Kitos war (115-117 CE) provoked the great interference of Gnosticism on Christianity. So prof Philip Jenkins:

Anti-Judaism became more common, as did critical attitudes towards Jewish claims to exclusivism. Thinkers were struggling to build a Jewish-derived world-view without the necessity to accept the exclusive God of the Hebrew Bible, with his burdensome Law. Gnosticism is much more than anti-Judaism, but without that element, it is impossible to sustain.

Basilides, Carpocrates, and other Alexandrian Gnostics were working only a very few years after the suppression of the massive Jewish insurgency in that city. That strictly contemporary context gives a special force to the reported theories of Basilides, who described
those angels who occupy the lowest heaven, that, namely, which is visible to us, [who] formed all the things which are in the world, and made allotments among themselves of the earth and of those nations which are upon it. The chief of them is he who is thought to be the God of the Jews; and inasmuch as he desired to render the other nations subject to his own people, that is, the Jews, all the other princes resisted and opposed him. Wherefore all other nations were at enmity with his nation.
Nor is it coincidental that Marcion’s rejection of the Old Testament follows within at most a decade of the Bar-Kokhba rebellion. As Stephen Wilson writes, “Gnostic anti-Judaism was unique, radical and deeply embedded in a significant portion of the early Christian movement” (Related Strangers, Fortress Press, 2004, p. 207).

Many of the religious themes that had emerged in the previous two centuries or so now became common currency in the Jewish and near-Jewish world. These included Dualism, images of Light and Darkness, a fascination with heavenly visions and revelations, interest in angels and mighty near-divine beings with great influence over the material world, messianic beliefs, and the exaltation of Wisdom to near-divine status. Also commonplace was the interest in the Creation and the origin of sin, a story told through the narrative of the pre-Flood patriarchs. We also find the tendency to frame those theories in Greek and Platonic modes.

We don’t know exactly who developed the Gnostic synthesis, but these political and cultural events give us the essential background. In the aftermath of the Temple’s Fall, and the subsequent generation of horrors and massacres, the emergence of something like Gnosticism was not surprising.



From a huge literature, one useful book on this era is Carl B. Smith, No Longer Jews (Hendrickson, 2004). Where I disagree with Dr. Smith is that I stress the endemic crisis of that whole era, rather than just the aftermath of the Kitos War

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbe ... he-temple/

Note precisely the words:
Where I disagree with Dr. Smith is that I stress the endemic crisis of that whole era, rather than just the aftermath of the Kitos War
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Robert Price about Simon Magus behind the Cyrenaic:

What Basilides noticed was that the last proper name before "that crucified him" (Mark 15:24) is not Jesus but Simon of Cyrene. Simon of Cyrene is easily identities with/as Simon Magus. The latter was also called "Simon of Gitta". Gitta (= Gath) was one of the five Philistine city states. The Philistines and Phoenicians were the "Sea Peoples", the Kittim, which equates to "Gitta". North African Cyrene was a Phoenician city. It is all comes to the same thing. So I think Mark 15:21's snippet about Simon is a sanitized version of the story told by "heretics" that Simon Magus was crucified in the place and semblance of the Son. Guess what, folks? It's not a piece of history.

(Holy fable, vol. 2, p. 98)

Despite of the his failure to recognize the real meaning behind kyrenaios, Price is able to detect the identity between the two Simons.

But this scholar is still wrong insofar he doesn't realize the other more probable alternative: just by Simon carrying - and only carrying - the cross, the readers are comforted about Jesus "called King of the Jews" being the real crucified one. The polemical target is a rival sect of which the Jesus was not the Jewish Christ, but the Messiah of a Foreign God, the "Son of Father" parodied later by the Judaizers as a mere criminal "Barabbas".
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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