The best evidence of a celestial crucifixion in Paul

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The best evidence of a celestial crucifixion in Paul

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I had thought that the best evidence of a celestial crucifixion in Paul was 1 Cor 2:6-8. But now I think that the best evidence, in addition to Hebrews 13:12, is 1 Corinthians 1:23-24:

but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Paul is not conceding that the same historical event can be interpreted both:
  • As a mere historical event (about which to feel possibly embarrassment);
  • as a celestial event.
Paul is introducing an aut-aut, not an et-et:

The crucifixion is only "the power of God and the wisdom of God".

As such, it can only be a celestial event.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Re: The best evidence of a celestial crucifixion in Paul

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Conclusions are usually based on evidence which helps dictate context, which is then explained in a credible Commentary.

You have only supplied a personal opinion without even a possibility of substantiating it. All while offering no cross references to support any context. And dude, this phrase is loaded with cross reference to a credible context in said book.

This is what a credible commentary looks like

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

But unto them which are called,.... Effectually, by the grace of God, not merely externally, but internally; these have other sentiments of Christ, and the doctrine of salvation by him; for being called out of darkness, and savingly illuminated by the Spirit of God, they see wisdom, beauty, glory, excellency, and suitableness in Christ, and in his Gospel; and having felt the power of it upon their souls, with them,
both Jews and Greeks, of whatsoever nation they be, and whatsoever their prejudices have been, Christ, to them is,

the power of God, and the wisdom of God: he is "the power of God"; this is opposed to the Jews who stumbled at his weakness, his sufferings and death, even the death of the cross; and is to be understood of him, not as God, in which sense he is Mighty, yea, the Almighty, and which appears by his works of creation and providence; but as Mediator, and of him in his low and mean estate, and even when he was crucified through weakness; in respect to that very thing in which he was weakness, and so stumbling, to others, he is to them that are called the power of God; as is clear by his bearing all the sins of his people in his own body, on the tree, the cross whereon he was crucified, and all the punishment due thereunto; and yet he failed not, nor was he discouraged, nor did he give out, till he had satisfied law and justice perfectly, and made a full end of sin, and an entire reconciliation for iniquity; as also by destroying, by his death, the devil, who had the power of death, and spoiling all his principalities and powers, triumphing over them on his cross; by redeeming his people from all their sins, and the curse of the law, and from him that was stronger than they; by abolishing death, and at last raising himself from the dead; all which show him, even when and "though" crucified, to be the power of God, or to be possessed of Almighty power; for these are things which a mere creature could never have done: and he is "the wisdom of God", also, in the account of these persons; and which likewise is to be understood, it being opposed to the opinions the Greeks had of him, not of him as the essential wisdom of God, as he is the wise Creator and Governor of the universe; but of him as Mediator, and in respect to that for which the Greeks accounted him foolishness: for in redemption and salvation by a crucified Christ, God hath abounded towards us in all wisdom and prudence: there is in this article a high display of the wisdom of God; for hereby justice was satisfied in that nature which sinned, and Satan destroyed in that nature which he himself had been the ruin of; hereby sin was condemned, and yet the sinner saved; pardon and justification came to be in a way of grace, and yet of strict justice; all the divine perfections harmonize, and are glorified, and God has hereby executed his wise designs and counsels of old; yea, even the wisdom of God is seen in Christ's dying the death of the cross, whereby he appeared to be made a curse for us, that he might redeem us from the curse of the law, and that the blessing of Abraham might come upon us.
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Re: The best evidence of a celestial crucifixion in Paul

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outhouse wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:12 pm Conclusions are usually based on evidence which helps dictate context, which is then explained in a credible Commentary.

You have only supplied a personal opinion without even a possibility of substantiating it. All while offering no cross references to support any context. And dude, this phrase is loaded with cross reference to a credible context in said book.

Evidently you are unable to understand the pure and simple sense of the text. Are you able to realize the difference, in terms of implications, between this translation:

but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is ALSO the power of God and the wisdom of God.



...and this:
but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is ONLY the power of God and the wisdom of God.



Since I doubt that you are even able to infer the difference, then I will explain it for you:
  • in the first translation, Paul concedes that the crucifixion is a historical event happened on this earth, since it may produce embarrassment even for a Christian.
  • In the second translation, Paul denies that the crucifixion is a historical event happened on this earth, since there is no embarrassment about it, for the Christians.

P.S.
I realize who is John Gill:
John Gill (November 23, 1697-October 14, 1771) was an English Baptist, a biblical scholar.

I realize also that mythicists existed before even the his time.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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