Did the Jews believe that Pilate (the demiurge) was tempting them?

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Giuseppe
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Did the Jews believe that Pilate (the demiurge) was tempting them?

Post by Giuseppe » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:57 am

The marcionite Christ couldn't die. The crucifixion was really too much embarrassing for a so highly divine being. But a Jesus "considered the Jewish Christ" could well die in the his place. Hence, what if Barabbas was the real marcionite Christ in a positive (not denigrative) sense?

The crowd would have obtained the death of the Jewish Jesus, without knowing that he was in the Roman prison for murder, not the Son of Father. Which clue may vehicle this idea in the gospels?

In this verse it is said that the rebels in the same prison of Barabbas were the killers, not Barabbas himself:

ἦν δὲ ὁ λεγόμενος Βαραββᾶς μετὰ τῶν στασιαστῶν δεδεμένος, οἵτινες ἐν τῇ στάσει φόνον πεποιήκεισαν

(Mark 15:10)

And there was one named Barabbas in prison with the rebels, who in the insurrection had committed murder in the insurrection.

οἵτινες may be read as a reference to the only rebels, not to Barabbas also. I would ask some expert of this forum for a best confirmation of what I am saying.

If until here I am right, the verse may be read supporting the view of an innocent Barabbas:

And there was the Son of the Father in prison with the rebels who in the insurrection had committed murder in the insurrection.

The verse 10 reads, without the (obvious) interpolation of a θ:

ἐγίνωσκεν γὰρ ὅτι διὰ φθόνον παραδεδώκεισαν αὐτὸν οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς.

For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for murder

Hence in the verse 10 immediately preceding 11:

Do you want me to release to you the king of the Jews?” asked Pilate

So Pilate is asking the Jews:

I want to kill Barabbas.
Do you want that I free the Jewish Christ, who, to our knowledge, is in prison because he is murderer, in the place of Barabbas?

Pilate expected that the Jews would have answered "yes, free the our Jewish Christ, even if he is a murderer" and in this way Pilate (as the demiurge) would have killed Barabbas the true Son of Father. But the Jews believed that Pilate was tempting them another time, by promising apparently the deliverance of a sinner and criminal, hence they replied: "kill the Jewish Christ and free Barabbas! Your same law requires the punition of the criminals!"

There is so a confusion on two levels:
  • the demiurge Pilate wants the death of the Son of a Higher God but he ends releasing him.
  • The Jews want the death of a false Jewish Christ but they end killing their Jewish Christ.

This scenario assumes:
  • that Pilate is totally evil just as the demiurge.
  • That the Jews believe that Jesus is a false Jewish Christ and as such he deserves the death.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: Did the Jews believe that Pilate (the demiurge) was tempting them?

Post by Joseph D. L. » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:33 am

I'm convinced that you are mentally disabled.

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Re: Did the Jews believe that Pilate (the demiurge) was tempting them?

Post by Giuseppe » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:45 am

More than disabled, I am disturbed by the your recent "comments", if they can be called such.

I don't follow your mix of atwillism, of Paul mythicism and of astrotheology etc. I like only mythicists who are in line with the noble mythicist tradition of the past (particularly French version). You are clearly out at all from that tradition.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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