not only that, idiot. See the post above about a even more strong argument: what Irenaeus says on the Valentinian association between the cosmic Horos/Cross (found in outer space) and the same cross mentioned by Paul in 1 Cor 1-2 where Jesus was crucified. Read also the quote of Elaine Pagels confirming the my point.Joseph D. L. wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:46 am Okay, so the closest you can muster is Sophia being crucified.
there is no symbolism here. BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT. You can't escape the clear meaning of Sophia being CRUCIFIED IN OUTER SPACE just by "going" through Horos.And this helps you how?
Even in this case, crucified may very well be figurative, not literal, as Sophia is nailed Platonically to the passions of the material realm. (And it's clear that the Valentinians are indebted to Platonic ideas).
I realize that you can't be a serious interlocutor, since you are playing here clearly the role of the b...d O'Neill of the situation: pure opposition against the idea of a celestial crucifixion in outer space only because of hate against Carrier and Doherty.
I can't imagine, really, a greater insult against you than the comparison of you with O'Neill. Come on, Joseph D.L. proclaim all the world that you are historicist!
You have even the idiotic arrogance of mentioning Platon (sic) against the my point. Just when Doherty insists so much about the platonic influence on the cosmogony of the early Christians and on what he calls paradigmatic parallelism! Remember that the ideal world in Platon is even more real than our world, not mere symbolism.