Where Jesus goes to die in Hebrews: αὐτὸν τὸν οὐρανόν

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Where Jesus goes to die in Hebrews: αὐτὸν τὸν οὐρανόν

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9:24-25:
For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven (τὸν οὐρανόν) itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own

NOTA BENE: sanctuary here is the heaven.

Since Jesus "entered heaven" to offer himself, he is not still offered (=he is not still killed), during the action itself of entering heaven.

in other terms, during the his entry to heaven (the "sanctuary"), Jesus is still living, he is not still killed.

Only once Jesus goes beyond the curtain of the celestial altar that is in heaven, only in that precise moment, Jesus is killed.

Hebrews 6:19-20:
We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.

This is pure mythicism.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Note the great contradiction in the historicist interpretation: the Risen Jesus enters in the celestial sanctuary to offer himself.
So the Risen Jesus carries the Dead Jesus in the sanctuary. What? Is Christ divided? :consternation:
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When God as the 'heaven' epithet, its most certainly a Goddess and the terminology produced through the mingling of the Greek and Hebrew language, so ' τὸν οὐρανόν' is השמים is τὸν σαμεῖον 'body of troops under one standard or flag' and roots צבאות 'hosts' in the title 'God of Hosts' which is identical to 'God of Heaven'. So the entire terminology originates from militaristic cultures or of the veterans of wars, more so in the Book of Mark, since written by Veterans of Caesar's Wars, hence the Latinism.

The main target audience for these types of cult was soldiers, to this day, majority of those in US Army are Christians, all the crusaders were Christians, cos the religion was made for them. Jesus "entered (the body of troops), a military group", hence why the symbol of Christianity is cruciform tropaeum, a military standard, a σαμεῖον or השמים or צבאות.

Risen Jesus, Dead Jesus, pretty much the same as the risen and dead Julius Caesar who was immortalised as Divvs Ivlivs, Italians probably not educated in real Roman history, only fake history written by Vatican, so they would not understand.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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