1. Let the world note that I am sending out a thank you to Maryhelena.
2. She is correct in stating that I am thinking of another time.
Mark 13 is telling what Josephus wrote of Jannaeus in Antiquities..., Book 13.
The Anchor Verse is:
Mark 13: 17 (RSV):
 And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days!
Josephus, Antiquities..., 13, 14, 2:
[[Jannaeus]] "...brought them to Jerusalem, and did one of the most barbarous actions in the world to them; for as he was feasting with his concubines, in the sight of all the city, he ordered about eight hundred of them to be crucified; and while they were living, he ordered the throats of their children and wives to be cut before their eyes."
With other verses under consideration ("Hannah the Prophetess", Revelation 5 +), you may piece together Sequence: That Demetrius Eucerus committed the Abomination of Desolation at Gerizim, near Shechem. At the least, when you read Josephus here, you realize that he is hiding what he knows and not very well at that. Demetrius destroys Jannaeus in Battle and the Jewish Mercenaries take pity on Jannaeus. Demetrius gets "Scared" and leaves the country. ABSURD on the face of it (Let the reader note this).
The point, however, is a simple one: Mark has rewritten part of the Story of Jannaeus. The "Holy Spirit" makes an appearance and that points to Domitian - Mark is composed no earlier than Domitian or certain redactors have smoothly inserted Domitian into the reading. The last part of Mark 13 is a rewrite of Peter's Story. Peter was a child at the Passover of 4 BCE (He is of the Service Group Immer) and he saves a Priest who should have been killed. He returns to the Passover of 9 CE, a "Duplicate Passover" of 4 BCE (Immer on Duty), expecting God to stand with them this time.
So: The Irony! This generation shall see these things. In fact, they've already seen these things. The events already occurred.
3. On to Atwill. I have tremendous respect for Joe Atwill. I think he is substantially correct. After blocking out my thesis, Posting about it on another site, I found Caesar's Messiah. I went through every Gospel Story and discovered that if you limit yourself to the material Joe covers in CM, you miss out on the depth of the Roman Creation. If Joe Atwill had never written CM, however, my thesis would still stand. We are on opposite sides of a divide, Joe is looking ahead in time, I am looking back. If you look, for example, at Michael Turton's Great Work on Chiastic Structures, over and over again he will state that there is no Historicity in the Markan material, that there was no persecution in the 30s. He is correct if the implications of a Jesus-in-the-30s are the only times studied. Jannaeus and the Hasmoneans, Mishmarot and the reasons for the Temple Service are hidden. When these items are considered, an entire new Development makes its appearance.
I know that many feel that Joe has cooties or something but if you bypass the language that inflames you (Most do not like his use of "Puzzles" and Statistics, for example), you will find that there is a substantial message there. It is a "Systems" book and most academics are more comfortable with single word/phrase analysis. "Systems" are, "OMG, IT'S A CONSPIRACY BOOK!!!" . Well, maybe yes and maybe no.
4. Yes. I wrote a book but I do not feel that I should "push it". I have no problem admiring Jay's book on this site, f'rinstance. Christs and Christianities, if you've forgotten the name. My book is in print, it's got an ISBN number and I'm told that's what counts. AS Vonnegut said, "This book is a failure because it was written by a pillar of salt". I know that "pillar of salt" is an idiom. I can give a good linguistic analysis of the phrase. After all, I've been doing linguistic analysis for decades. Lot's wife was awestruck. She's dead now. So it goes. I've written an updated version of the book that I must upload to help the dreadfully opaque last third of the thing and then onto Acts. Acts is more in-your-face Roman than the Gospels.
5. If there's something I Post that you don't understand, ask a question and I'll try to explain. That's all I can do.
Thank you, Maryhelena.
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