The name change to Jesus/Joshua.

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Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.

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Secret Alias wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:34 am
Sanhedrin 43 Our Rabbis taught: Yeshu had five disciples, Matthai, Nakai, Nezer, Buni and Todah. When Matthai was brought [before the court] he said to them [the judges] ...
Todah as a name associated with Jewish messianism.
Note that Nezer is there, as well.
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John 1:17. There is no 'but' in John only ἡ
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You are the guy that only a minute before (sic) has talked about the importance of the name Joshua as successor of Moses.
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It's important. But it's important in its original context.
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Secret Alias wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:37 am John 1:17. There is no 'but' in John only ἡ = when
typical answer of a harmonizer. The antithesis between law and grace is evident in that verse, with or without "but".
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Ignore my when but there is no adversative conjunction in the Greek text
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Secret Alias wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:41 am Ignore my when but there is no adversative conjunction in the Greek text
I was wondering....
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Supposed to be working ...
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Giuseppe you can't argue that Joshua was used in an antithetical sense when the Pentateuch clearly contextualized who or what Joshua was. Joshua might have been greater than Moses (even though he only lived to 110). But it is beyond anything rational to claim that a Joshua was invented who opposed Moses. There is nothing in the Pentateuch or Joshua which would support this idea. It is typically outlandish nonsense from you.
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Secret Alias wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:47 am Giuseppe you can't argue that Joshua was used in an antithetical sense when the Pentateuch clearly contextualized who or what Joshua was. Joshua might have been greater than Moses (even though he only lived to 110). But it is beyond anything rational to claim that a Joshua was invented who opposed Moses. There is nothing in the Pentateuch or Joshua which would support this idea. It is typically outlandish nonsense from you.
I am not interested about the possibility that "a Joshua was invented who opposed Moses". I accept the idea that the early hallucinators of Jesus adored also Moses as Jews. My point is that later someone came and interpreted Jesus as an anti-Moses and that someone was the author of the first gospel.
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