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Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:36 am
by Ben C. Smith
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:34 am
Sanhedrin 43 Our Rabbis taught: Yeshu had five disciples, Matthai, Nakai, Nezer, Buni and Todah. When Matthai was brought [before the court] he said to them [the judges] ...
Todah as a name associated with Jewish messianism.
Note that Nezer is there, as well.
Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:37 am
by Secret Alias
John 1:17. There is no 'but' in John only ἡ
Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:37 am
by Giuseppe
You are the guy that only a minute before (sic) has talked about the importance of the name Joshua as successor of Moses.
Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:39 am
by Secret Alias
It's important. But it's important in its original context.
Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:40 am
by Giuseppe
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:37 am
John 1:17. There is no 'but' in John only ἡ = when
typical answer of a harmonizer. The antithesis between law and grace is
evident in that verse, with or without "but".
Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:41 am
by Secret Alias
Ignore my when but there is no adversative conjunction in the Greek text
Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:43 am
by Ben C. Smith
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:41 am
Ignore my when but there is no adversative conjunction in the Greek text
I was wondering....
Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:44 am
by Secret Alias
Supposed to be working ...
Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:47 am
by Secret Alias
Giuseppe you can't argue that Joshua was used in an antithetical sense when the Pentateuch clearly contextualized who or what Joshua was. Joshua might have been greater than Moses (even though he only lived to 110). But it is beyond anything rational to claim that a Joshua was invented who opposed Moses. There is nothing in the Pentateuch or Joshua which would support this idea. It is typically outlandish nonsense from you.
Re: The name change to Jesus/Joshua.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:53 am
by Giuseppe
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:47 am
Giuseppe you can't argue that Joshua was used in an antithetical sense when the Pentateuch clearly contextualized who or what Joshua was. Joshua might have been greater than Moses (even though he only lived to 110). But it is beyond anything rational to claim that a Joshua was invented who opposed Moses. There is nothing in the Pentateuch or Joshua which would support this idea. It is typically outlandish nonsense from you.
I am not interested about the possibility that "a Joshua was invented who opposed Moses". I accept the idea that the early hallucinators of Jesus adored also Moses
as Jews. My point is that
later someone
came and interpreted Jesus as an anti-Moses and
that someone was the author of the first gospel.