Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:19 am
Why on earth is your interpolator wanting to do
both things? Why does he
both want to create a second John, as if there were two of them,
and want to clone the first John, as if they were one and the same?
Because the first John (the original John mentioned in the list of Elders) was (assumed as) already dead by the time of Papias, and the interpolator wanted to create a second John the Elder who was contemporary of Papias. In this way he could introduce the first John as author of
X, and the second John as author of
Y, to correct a previous situation where
X and
Y were considered works by the same John the Elder (I go to memory).
Under the your view, the interpolator found this original text:
And if anyone chanced to come along who had followed the elders, I inquired as to the words of the elders, what Andrew or what Peter, or what Philip or what Thomas or James or what John or Matthew or any other of the disciples of the Lord had said, which things both Aristion and the elder John, are saying. For I did not suppose that things from books would profit me as much as things from a living and remaining voice.
Under the your view, the interpolator wanted to make "Aristion and the Elder John" as "disciples of Lord". The his goal was to show the Elder John as the Beloved Disciple of Jesus (if I understand you well) of the fourth gospel.
Hence the your interpolator added the part in red:
And if anyone chanced to come along who had followed the elders, I inquired as to the words of the elders, what Andrew or what Peter, or what Philip or what Thomas or James or what John or Matthew or any other of the disciples of the Lord had said, which things both Aristion and the elder John, [the] disciples of the Lord, are saying. For I did not suppose that things from books would profit me as much as things from a living and remaining voice.
The contradiction in this your view is that the your presumed original text
And if anyone chanced to come along who had followed the elders, I inquired as to the words of the elders, what Andrew or what Peter, or what Philip or what Thomas or James or what John or Matthew or any other of the disciples of the Lord had said, which things both Aristion and the elder John, are saying. For I did not suppose that things from books would profit me as much as things from a living and remaining voice.
...had it already enough clear the fact that, in virtue of the first formula "disciples of Lord" (in blue above), Aristion and John the Elder were disciples of the Lord. Hence, there was no need at all for him to interpolate the second formula "disciples of Lord".
In my view, the original text was:
And if anyone chanced to come along who had followed the elders, I inquired as to the words of the elders, what Andrew or what Peter, or what Philip or what Thomas or James or what John or Matthew or any other of the disciples of the Lord had said. For I did not suppose that things from books would profit me as much as things from a living and remaining voice.
The interpolator wanted to invent a second John the Elder who was sufficiently distinct from the original John mentioned in the list of the Elders (and, as such, an Elder of his own right) to make him the author of works different from the works authored by the first John. Hence, if the interpolator had interpolated only the part in red, obtaining so:
And if anyone chanced to come along who had followed the elders, I inquired as to the words of the elders, what Andrew or what Peter, or what Philip or what Thomas or James or what John or Matthew or any other of the disciples of the Lord had said, which things both Aristion and the elder John, are saying. For I did not suppose that things from books would profit me as much as things from a living and remaining voice.
...then he would be able to mask perfectly the his pen under the my eyes 2000 years after.
But unfortunately for him, he betrayed himself by adding the restart:
And if anyone chanced to come along who had followed the elders, I inquired as to the words of the elders, what Andrew or what Peter, or what Philip or what Thomas or James or what John or Matthew or any other of the disciples of the Lord had said, which things both Aristion and the elder John, [the] disciples of the Lord, are saying. For I did not suppose that things from books would profit me as much as things from a living and remaining voice.
a restart completely vain and without no utility at all.