Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:25 am
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:21 am
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:18 am
- The form of death (the cross being a symbol of creation in Plato)
I invite Ben to update the his
list in progress on the reasons for a mythical crucifixion.
What is the reference from Plato?
And the physiological discussion concerning the Son of God in the Timæus of Plato, where he says, He placed him crosswise in the universe, he borrowed in like manner from Moses; for in the writings of Moses it is related how at that time, when the Israelites went out of Egypt and were in the wilderness, they fell in with poisonous beasts, both vipers and asps, and every kind of serpent, which slew the people; and that Moses, by the inspiration and influence of God, took brass, and made it into the figure of a cross, and set it in the holy tabernacle, and said to the people, If you look to this figure, and believe, you shall be saved thereby. Numbers 21:8 And when this was done, it is recorded that the serpents died, and it is handed down that the people thus escaped death. Which things Plato reading, and not accurately understanding, and not apprehending that it was the figure of the cross, but taking it to be a placing crosswise, he said that the power next to the first God was placed crosswise in the universe. And as to his speaking of a third, he did this because he read, as we said above, that which was spoken by Moses, that the Spirit of God moved over the waters. For he gives the second place to the Logos which is with God, who he said was placed crosswise in the universe
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm
(Justin doesn't like to refer who is "he": the demiurge).