More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

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Re: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:15 pm

I am struggling with the Latin as it is not a copy of the Vulgate:
Quibus neque ad modicum tempus humiliavimus nosmetipsos in subjectione, in observatione, inquam, legis ; ut imitatores nostri sitis, neque declinetis ; ut veritas Evangelii, quod praedicavimus vobis, confirmetur apud vos. Qui autem praesumpserint gloriari se aliquid esse, eo quod observant vetus cum novo, quemadmodum in hoc seusu erant illi ; nihil curae est mihi de illis. Deus enim personam hominum accipere nescit, eorum qui putant se placere illi, observando legem, et circumcisionem Abrahae.
neque ad modicum tempus = 'not a little time.' Is this saying that Paul subjected himself for 'not a little time' i.e. a while or not even a little time?
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Re: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

Post by Ben C. Smith » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:26 pm

Secret Alias wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:15 pm
I am struggling with the Latin as it is not a copy of the Vulgate:
Quibus neque ad modicum tempus humiliavimus nosmetipsos in subjectione, in observatione, inquam, legis ; ut imitatores nostri sitis, neque declinetis ; ut veritas Evangelii, quod praedicavimus vobis, confirmetur apud vos. Qui autem praesumpserint gloriari se aliquid esse, eo quod observant vetus cum novo, quemadmodum in hoc seusu erant illi ; nihil curae est mihi de illis. Deus enim personam hominum accipere nescit, eorum qui putant se placere illi, observando legem, et circumcisionem Abrahae.
neque ad modicum tempus = 'not a little time.' Is this saying that Paul subjected himself for 'not a little time' i.e. a while or not even a little time?
I believe the full force of the neque ought to be in play: "not even," in this case. So Paul did not subject himself, "not even for a little bit of time."
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Re: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:30 pm

Thanks. I suspected that was the case but we all have a little Giuseppe in us. Some stronger than others.
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
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Re: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

Post by andrewcriddle » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:47 am

davidmartin wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:46 pm
so you want you some Marcion, how about let the guy speak for himself?
O wonder beyond wonders, rapture, power, and amazement is it, that one can say nothing at all about the gospel, nor even conceive of it, nor compare it with anything
Quote apparently comes from a writer called Harnak from an old syriac manuscript, couldn't find out more

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See https://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/jts/030_279.pdf

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