Capitolium : Golgotha

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Jesus dies around 15 Nissan, which is a rough equivalent of 15 March. Is that right?
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Speaking of the days around 15 Nisan, apparently there were Jews at Caesar's funeral…

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... t.+Jul.+84
In this public mourning there joined a multitude of foreigners, expressing their sorrow according to the fashion of their respective countries; but especially the Jews, 3 who for several nights together frequented the spot where the body was burnt.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... .+84#note3
3 Josephus frequently mentions the benefits conferred on his countrymen by Julius Caesar. Anti. Jud. xiv. 14, 15, 16.
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So at least according to Suetonius the Jews frequented the Caesar cremation site.

What does the Jesus tomb look like?

http://sights.seindal.dk/photo/8259,s171f.html
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The Jesus tomb is mentioned in Mark 15:46.
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Mark 16:6 says Jesus is not there anymore…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paschal_greeting
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Thanks for the links, ghost! :)
ghost wrote:This here is also important…

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... tion%3D149
So died Gaius Cæsar on the so-called Ides of March, which correspond nearly with the middle of the Greek month Anthesterion, which day the soothsayer predicted that he should not survive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ides_of_March
The Ides of March (Latin: Idus Martii or Idus Martiae) is a day on the Roman calendar that corresponds to 15 March.
When does Jesus die?
15th of the Jewish month Nisan according to the Synpotics; the 14th according to gJohn.

There was actually a fight over this in the Catholic Church and the keepers of John's tradition lost out to the consensus in Rome. This may be evidence that there was a Julian core to Christianity.
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You got your question answered! O crap, do I have egg on my face.

And I remember now the actual issue between the followers of John's tradition and the consensus of Rome was over when the Paschal festival (our Easter) was to be observed.

Carry on.
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Here is another thing that draws my attention… Isaiah, like Divus Iulius, also has an ascension, and in Mark 1:2-3 they repeat the verse Isaiah 40:3 where he says to prepare the way, in Mark supposedly for Jesus. It's the same Isaiah? Coincidence?

http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/puzzle4.htm
The Ascension of Isaiah, a composite Jewish-Christian work of the late first century, describes (9:13-15) Christ’s crucifixion by Satan and his demons in the firmament (the heavenly sphere between earth and moon).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_of_Isaiah
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The ascension is of Christ, but still…
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The story of the Syro-Phoenician woman seems to be based on this…

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... pter%3D110
There were also some brigades raised in Syria and Cilicia, together with a considerable number of renegade slaves, who had deserted their masters, and found protection in Egypt, by entering into the service.
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